Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Guido Penosi


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. I think everyone in this AfD accepts that Penosi is covered in sources. But the consensus is clearly (whether based on guidelines such as WP:PERP or the underlying policies that inform them, like WP:BLP1E) that he is notable only for a single alleged act of criminality for which he was acquitted and therefore does not warrant a biography. No prejudice to the creation of an appropriate redirect -- there seem to be multiple possible targets. Mkativerata (talk) 20:08, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Guido Penosi

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Penosi does not meet WP:CRIME. He is only known for his association with Wayne Newton. There are other articles that cover Penosi and his friendship/extortion of Newton. See: Frank Piccolo (Penosi's cousin article), List of cases argued by Floyd Abrams and Lucchese crime family. Vic49 (talk)  17:37, 8 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Vic49  (talk)  17:47, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Vic49  (talk)  17:47, 8 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. Not notable, can be dealt with in the other articles mentioned above. - DonCalo (talk) 18:00, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Not notable how?--BabbaQ (talk) 15:36, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Fails WP:CRIME and WP:PERP. - DonCalo (talk) 19:10, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - reliable sources. Notable. thats it.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:41, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable for his own biography, a name in a list or a mention in a parent article. Off2riorob (talk) 03:41, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:PERP clearly. That's it. LibStar (talk) 12:05, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * How?--BabbaQ (talk) 15:36, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * fails criterion of WP:PERP. nothing to indicate long standing notability or uniqueness of individual contribution to justify separate article. LibStar (talk) 04:30, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete: Notability concerns aside, I'm worried that we have an article about a person that is focusing mostly on a crime he's been acquitted of. --GRuban (talk) 14:20, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Does not pass WP:Crime. --Cox wasan (talk) 19:49, 17 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Relisting comment: Page was never transcluded onto the daily log, so this should be let run a full 7 days after today (the 16th) to allow it to draw more participation.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, lifebaka ++ 17:17, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete WP:PERP, WP:BLP1E etc. Just being mentioned in the media is not enough notability for a biographic article. However, it might be for inclusion of some information in other related articles.--Cerejota (talk) 17:24, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete or redirect to Lucchese crime family per WP:CRIME and WP:BLP1E. Not notable enough to have own article.--Slon02 (talk) 23:34, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep – The topic passes notability guidelines per reliable sources in the article and those that are available. Per WP:BIO, notability for people, specifically the section WP:BASIC, “A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.” If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability.” The topic passes WP:BIO, section WP:BASIC due to the availability of multiple independent sources which demonstrate notability and in the manner of which those sources are not comprised of trivial coverage. Northamerica1000 (talk) 09:21, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment – There are many articles that establish notability per WP:BIO, section WP:BASIC. See here for starters. Northamerica1000 (talk) 09:23, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:BLP1E and WP:PERP overrides WP:BIO in the case of criminals. LibStar (talk) 02:28, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.