Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gulshan Aliyeva-Kengerli


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 06:38, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Gulshan Aliyeva-Kengerli

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I think the person fails GNG as a scientist. Also, UPE/COI issues again.. — Toghrul R (t) 06:10, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators, Women,  and Azerbaijan. — Toghrul R (t) 06:10, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: per nom, the UPE/COI issues are quite evident as the article's only editor lists themself as a freelancer. - Kevo3 2 7 (talk) 08:11, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete Unusually obvious case. All the article establishes is thar the person exists and works as an academic. With hardly any cited publications, obviously fails WP:ACADEMIC. Jeppiz (talk) 13:20, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, clearly she does not meet GNC. Cinadon36 13:21, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. WP:NACADEMIC would be passed if she had the highest office in her university, and yet she has the second highest. (you can link to her profile from one click on the front page) http://www.admiu.edu.az/enen.php?go=vice-rector-3. WP:ANYBIO would be passed if she has received a well-known and significant award or honor and she has a Taraggi Medal. I have not yet ascertained if I think she is notable, but I oppose the speedy delete, this is worthy of careful assessment. <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,Red, Orange,Yellow,Green,Blue,Purple);color:transparent;background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text">CT55555 (talk) 14:47, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * That is not entirely correct, though. First of all, WP:CRYSTAL applies to all ifs. Second, WP:NACADEMIC applies to being the Principle of a Major academic institution. A quick look at university rankings confirms we are very för indeed from anything that could be called a major academic institution. Being the Principle of any academic institution is not what WP:NACADEMIC says (and again, she is not principle. As for the Taraggi Medal, I'm not sure a medal created by a dictator with a personality cult and awarded for unclear reasons is the kind of award to which WP:NACADEMIC refers. The fact that she has the same last name as the famously nepotist dictator makes me doubt very much whether it was awarded based on any academic criteria. Jeppiz (talk) 22:17, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The point about the importance of the university is well made. I suspect that nepotism is a factor in national awards the world over. I think we should consider the importance of the award, but stay away from (sensible) speculation about how it is awarded. <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,Red, Orange,Yellow,Green,Blue,Purple);color:transparent;background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text">CT55555 (talk) 22:47, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Not denying that nepotism occurs in all countries to some extent but let's not resort to false balance either. It is well-documented that the Aliyev family (Aliyeva for females), which has provided all of Azerbaijan's dictators, are matched only by North Korea for personality cult, and have bestowed "honours" on family members for decades.Jeppiz (talk) 23:10, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I believe you on the nepotism. But I also think we tend to see nepotism and other injustices more clearly when they are further away from us. I don't think me pointing out the complexity/impossibility for us to discount WP:ANYBIO passes on the basis of well-informed speculation is False balance. But either way, even if we knew an award was given for nepotism, the award would still be given. If this is a reason to discount it, the path forward would be to propose edits to WP:ANYBIO. <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,Red, Orange,Yellow,Green,Blue,Purple);color:transparent;background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text">CT55555 (talk) 23:20, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Quite right, fair point. What I meant is more that I have my doubts about the value of the Taraggi medal; I wouldn't count any recipient as notable just for having received it. Jeppiz (talk) 00:32, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 🙂 I think we are in agreement. I'm still undecided on notability, really 50/50 at this point. I'm watching and reflecting. Thanks for the polite discussion, <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,Red, Orange,Yellow,Green,Blue,Purple);color:transparent;background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text">CT55555 (talk) 00:35, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

*Comment: I have posted a link to this discussion at WT:WIR (talk) 15:09, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment The nom is clearly wrong - she is in no way a "scientist", but a literary scholar. Is she a member of the Azerbaijan Aliyev royal family, who have been the dictators for decades?   Johnbod (talk) 17:50, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. WP:Prof not passed. Not enough for WP:GNG. Xxanthippe (talk) 02:53, 24 March 2023 (UTC).
 * Comment Changing category from "Science and Technology" to "Biography." PianoDan (talk) 16:39, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment The Jafar Jabbarli Award does seem to be legit as an award. Lajmmoore (talk) 07:43, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Legit in the sense that it exists, but nowhere near conferring automatic notability on any recipient. Please remember that the criteria here is not "receiving an award" but rather receiving a highly distinguished and recognised award. Jeppiz (talk) 18:17, 28 March 2023 (UTC)


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