Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gun Kata (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to Gun fu. No consensus to delete. The arguments for merging are slightly stronger then the arguments for keeping. Otherwise this is a tossup (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:25, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Gun Kata
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Trivial OR (also unreferenced of course) that only recounts plot details from the film Equilibrium, totally redundant to Gun Fu. Ryan 4314  (talk) 10:57, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions.  — Ryan 4314   (talk) 11:02, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  — Ryan 4314   (talk) 11:02, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  — Ryan 4314   (talk) 11:02, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge to Gun Fu of which it seems to be a sub-branch. Besides having no secondary reliable sources this is about a fictional martial art which serves as a element in a couple of movies. No need for WP to have so much detail on it since this is supposed to be a general encyclopedia, not a movie fan site or a how-to guide for movie makers. Northwestgnome (talk) 14:09, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge into the parent article per Northwestgnome. -- Explodicle (T/C) 18:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep: I somewhat agree with Northwestgnome, but I find this interesting, and has been done in enough films and even though this is probably crystal, it will probably be used in many more to come. With enough work, it could be a very good article.-- Will C  04:38, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Personal interest is not a valid reason to keep an article, and without reliable secondary sources it can never be a good article. -- Explodicle (T/C) 14:12, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not basing my keep on interest. I'm basing it on usage. It has been done in enough films and has gained a following. Third party sources are probably out there, but it involves people looking hard enough. Sometimes primary sources are the best sources to use. Primary sources didn't stop me from getting this to FL. Now yes, third party sources help establish notability, but there is always another step. Something can get major interest from people, but is so insignificant that it doesn't really needs its own article. But there is enough sorces out there. Thinking plainly on sources the entire time, really isn't correct.-- Will C  19:55, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm curious, outside "Equilibrium" what other films has this, by name, actually been used in? The article has been around for years and has only mentioned Equilibrium and for a brief time had references to it being used in Ultraviolet that have since been removed from the article. Ultraviolet supposedly uses Gun Kata, but it's not mentioned on screen, and I'm unsure if they even refer to it in behind the scenes. No other films to my knowledge use this fictional technique. If you can provide examples, great - do so. If you can't - I'm not sure how much weight the argument that it's notable outside Equilibrium really holds. Radagast83 (talk) 05:36, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep: I can understand why you might think it seems like an unimportant article, but having just stumbled on it and found it to be quite an interesting read, I think the article is worth saving. The whole point of Wikipedia is to inform its readers; I found it a useful article and I'm sure others will, so keep it.  There are certainly sources out there, and if you're worried about it not being sourced, then look for references, don't delete.--Freelance Intellectual (talk) 22:07, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge relevant data into Gun fu (or Equilibrium article) and then kill off the rest. Gun Kata "appears" by name in one Kurt Wimmer film and "sorta" shows itself at one or two points in another one of his films, Ultraviolet. This is not notable enough to stand on its own with few sources if any to rely on. Radagast83 (talk) 06:02, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Evidently notable. Merger into Gun Fu seems sensible. Colonel Warden (talk) 17:30, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Has been used in multiple notable works. Also the article is large enough on its own, no need to merge it with another.   D r e a m Focus  14:42, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.