Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gunter Singer


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The result was delete. Articles and content must be WP:V. Sources in different languages are often difficult to find but without them then we must fall back on WP:BURDEN principals and use what's available to us at this point in time. Comparing the athlete to others is an WP:OTHERSTUFF argument. Mkdw talk 03:27, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Gunter Singer

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Lacks the significant coverage needed to meet WP:GNG. Posters, IMDB, youtube clips, etc. do not provide any significant independent coverage. He also fails to meet the notability standards for kickboxers (WP:KICK) and actors (WP:NACTOR). Mdtemp (talk) 22:27, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note Re: notability standard for kickboxers: Singer fought at the K-1 World Grand Prix, Las Vegas 2001, he also won the International Muay Thai Federation (IMF) World Cruiserweight Champion 1991 (IMF is the forerunner of WMC, which was only created in 1995 per Thailand government decree.) Wolfgaenger (talk) 22:14, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note Re: notability standard for actors: The film Jail Caesar, in which Singer played a lead role, won 1st place at the Berlin Independent Film Festival in 2013, which is one of the world's leading film festivals. Wolfgaenger (talk) 22:14, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
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 * Note: This was previously deleted at AfD in 2010 under the name Günter Singer. Both articles were created by the same editor,, however this version of the article focuses on a different aspect of Singer's career that appears to have emerged since the last AfD. I'm including the information from the earlier version of the article for any incoming editors, if they need to compare this against the prior version since the last AfD approaches this from such a different angle that it initially appears to be a separate person. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  08:22, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Günter Singer (born June 7th, 1967, Mürzzuschlag, Austria) is a Chief executive officer (CEO) in the private military industry. Growing up in Veitsch, Steiermark, Austria, Singer was conscripted into the Military of his homeland Austria for his first taste of military life, in 1987. After various following careers as special forces operative in the French Foreign Legion, a professional kickboxer, bodyguard, and private military contractor, Singer became CEO of US Operations for Asgaard - German Security Group in 2010, establishing the company's US Office. Later the same year Singer and Gregory Strom formed Triton Armor Group, a private military company specializing in the conflict zones on the African continent. The company's headquarters and training facilities are located in Los Angeles, California.
 * http://www.tritonarmorgroup.com
 * http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Triton-Armor-Group/158800760817190
 * http://www.asgaard-gsg.de

In both of these instances he has met standard. I would need further clarification as why this is not clear.Wolfgaenger (talk) 09:13, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you Tokyogirl79, yes, it is the same person. I had not included that information this time because as was stated, the other aspects of his career are not something that can be easily verified online. His Kick/Thaiboxing and Filmmaker career are more clearly established, traceable online, and more relevant to the kind of information that is housed on Wikipedia.Wolfgaenger (talk) 22:14, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete As per nominator.Peter Rehse (talk) 13:27, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as none of this suggests better satisfying the applicable notability guidelines. SwisterTwister   talk  05:58, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep If the distinctions were not clear:1) The International Muay Thai Federation (IMF) was the forerunner of The World Muay Thai Council (WMC). WMC was created in 1995 per Thailand government decree.  The WMC is the current recognized Muay Thai federation; therefore Gunter Singer did indeed win a title of the applicable notability guidelines. As stated, he won the World Cruiserweight Championship in 1991 within the forerunning federation. 2) The film Jail Caesar won 1st place at the Berlin Independent Film Festival in 2013. Gunter Singer played a lead role in this film. Here again he has met applicable notability guidelines.
 * Delete My search found no reliable sources that list the IMF as the lineal predecessor of the WMC and there's no independent supporting evidence for the claim of him being a world champion sufficient to meet WP:KICK. Papaursa (talk) 00:24, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note Re: Papaursa: Thank you for your effort. WMC was the Thai governmental effort to get all federations under one roof, since it is their national sport. The IMF was the only accepted Muay Thai federation before that, that was created with particular international intent in 1989. IMF and all other main national Muay Thai federations were fused into the WMC, in order to make it officially international and give the government a chance to control it. Don't forget, in the 80's and early 90's most westerners fighting in Thailand got knocked out. So, the term international didn't mean much until a bit later. Rob Kaman (NL), Ramon Dekkers (NL), Peter Cunningham (US/CAN), Benny Urquidez (US), John Wayne Parr (AUS), were a few of their champs from the top of my head. In Rob Kaman's own words, the IMF belt was his most prestigious. Also, all this is mostly before the internet so searches will not necessarily bring up much, same with Singer's title fight from 1991. The fight was in Paris, September 27th 1991, but all I could find was an Austrian newspaper article, in German. Thanks everyone for taking the time! Wolfgaenger (talk) 04:02, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
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