Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Guy Sebastian (Winner Australian Idol 2003)


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The result was   merge to Guy Sebastian. (non-admin closure) Tim Song (talk) 02:15, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Guy Sebastian (Winner Australian Idol 2003)

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The page was created in good faith, but I don't think that's enough to save the page. This page is essentially the Australian Idol section of the full biography at Guy Sebastian. I just came across it, so I don't know if it was spun off or just spontaneously created, but is there a reason why this has to be a standalone page? None of the other Idol pages have their Idol experiences spun off; if anything, the material belongs on the show's season page, not by itself. SKS (talk) 04:19, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi there SKS

Thank you I did create this page in good faith. The reason I created it was because the Guy Sebastian article was becoming too long even with regular trimming out of contributions that have become no longer current or relevant. As an emerging worldwide artist, there is a lot happening in his life and career at the moment and so his article is constantly being added to and also being trimmed down. A lot of time and energy was put in to compiling all his Idol songs and experiences by many different editors since 2003 so it would be a really big shame if this page was deleted and I cant see how this information can fit back on the main Guy Sebastian article without it impacting on the length there.

I guess if the only reason for it being up for deletion is that other idols do not have a separate page for their Idol experiences - then I am not sure how to proceed from here. I know other artists have pages created away from the biographical article when there is too much information making the articles too long.

Anyways, any suggestions on how to proceed with this if this article is deleted would be gratefully received. Should I put this information back on the Guy Sebastian article?

Kind regards

--Diane (talk) 20:42, 26 November 2009 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tim Song (talk) 01:18, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Guy Sebastian. Add whatever content necessary to Guy Sebastian. There should not be two articles on the same person. •••Life of Riley (T–C)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  — J04n(talk page) 01:42, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Guy Sebastian. A separate article covering Australian Idol performences is not warranted. Discussion can continue on the talk page there about whether the chart or any information from this article are worth putting into the main article, keeping in mind length concerns mentioned by Diane.  Jujutacular  T · C 02:16, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect - as above. Unnecessary article, as described by Jujutacular. To be honest, I don't think we need to know every song he sung every week on Australian Idol. If the main Guy Sebastian article is becoming to long, it can be shortened down to include less trivial information, Lord Spongefrog,  (Talk to me, or I'll eat your liver!)  17:26, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi everyone - I guess the consensus is that the page should be removed. I got the idea from John Mayer and Kylie editors who have separate articles for tours/appearances that didnt fit on the main page. I could change the title of this page but I guess it still comes down to having another page on Guy and this may not fit in with the rules here.

--Diane (talk) 20:02, 1 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Guy Sebastian. The article is unnecessary because the page only has a few references. We also don't need to know all of his songs.  December21st2012Freak (talk) 00:12, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions.  --  Bduke    (Discussion)  06:11, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge and Source. I think there is room in Guy's main article to discuss things like what songs he did on the show, but that content would have to be reliable sourced back for something.  As others have said, having two articles for the same person is problematic, and compared to article like Kylie Minogue, the one on Guy could certainly use some fattening up with content.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 11:47, 2 December 2009 (UTC).

I wasn't sure Lankiveil which article needs fattening up - this article or the Guy Sebastian main article. If it was this article, it had been my intention to fattening it up to include all his post Idol performances also. He has been invited back numerous times to perform at the Australia Idol Grandfinal every year, has been the only OZ Idol guest judge, and Sebastian is very lucky to be one of the few idols invited back to premiere his singles on the show. He has been a guest Idol every year since he won. I was going to make this a work in progress in researching to get citations to support all Sebastian's Idol appearances including American Idol, New Zealand Idol, World Idol, Malaysian Idol, and Asian Idol (300 million viewers for Grand finale night). There is always going to be possible Idol performances in the future also as there is a possiblity of an American Idol performance next year with Sebastian's team up with Jordin Sparks and releasing their single in the US next year.

This is the first time I have created an article - so I am just saying what I was hoping to achieve here - but understand that there are rules in place.

Regards, --Diane (talk) 21:22, 2 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Merge to parent article. Its totally redundant to expand. ApprenticeFan  talk  contribs 11:05, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
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