Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gwynno James


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The result was keep.  Maxim (talk)  14:47, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Gwynno james

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Google gets 36, which is worrying. Oh, and none of them are relevant anyway. αѕєηιηє t/c 16:02, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Published author (published by the Church of Wales):
 * http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=oUyHAAAACAAJ&dq=%22Gwynno+James%22&ei=9bjSR5j5MpGgygTM68X7Dw
 * http://www.antiqbook.co.uk/boox/carm/45686.shtml
 * He's also provided words for classical music works:
 * http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lazarus-cantata-baritone-soloists-orchestra/dp/B0000CXG10
 * Oxford University Press Catalogue - http://www.oup.co.uk/music/repprom/hoddinott/catalogue/
 * mention in journal literature - http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0027-4666%28196507%29106%3A1469%3C528%3ARFTP%3E2.0.CO%3B2-C&size=LARGE&origin=JSTOR-enlargePage
 * Verifiable and significant.--Oldak Quill 16:15, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Prob. Delete He's the librettist of a definitely notable choral piece. The rub, however, is that nobody seems to care about that. Googling his name produces a scant three pages, and except for the collection of sermons (which is a bookstore listing) all of the meaningful hits are sellers of the sheet music for the piece in question. In fact it is difficult to establish that he is a cleric. Mangoe (talk) 23:43, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is difficult. There may be information published about him in printed press, though I don't know where to start. The lack of information available through Google may just reflect Google's biases and poor coverage of non-present niche topics. Obviously, if there are no references to use, only a very minimal article is possible from the few sources available (though I would say a minimal article is better than no article, particularly if a significant person has poor internet presence). --Oldak Quill 23:51, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That's a reasonable argument, except that Google very plainly shows a lot of notability both for the piece in question and its composer. At the moment the most we have is enough for no more than a brief appositive in discussion of the piece(s), and no more. Saying that there might be print sources-- well, there might, but there might not. I certainly couldn't come up with them, not on this side of the Atlantic. Mangoe (talk) 11:26, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd also point out that his sermon collection (a slim thing at sixty-one pages) barely registers. I get two hits at used booksellers, and Amazon barely even knows that it exists. Mangoe (talk) 11:35, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. "One of the more considerable intellectuals of the Welsh Church" Phil Bridger (talk) 22:51, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


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