Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gyllenhaal family


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The result was   keep. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:14, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Gyllenhaal family

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This article cites no sources, constituting OR. TRLIJC19  (  talk  ) 05:48, 5 July 2012 (UTC)


 * "The term "original research" is used on Wikipedia to refer to material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published sources exist." Did you take a look to see if there were any sources about this information? The external links may be what is used in the article (confusing it with references), but I can't read Swedish, so I wouldn't know. Statυs  (talk) 06:19, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I know what original research is, but thanks. I too don't speak Swedish, so I don't know if the external links back up the article. Sorry about that sounding sarcastic (long day),  TRLIJC19   (  talk  ) 06:23, 5 July 2012 (UTC)


 * The externals links seem to date back to when the article was first created. The information began to be added in May 2010. Can't really confirm if it was added from the external links or not. How about making a request to find someone who speaks Swedish to find out? Statυs  (talk) 06:30, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Good idea. Do you happen to know a user who can understand the language?  TRLIJC19   (  talk  ) 06:31, 5 July 2012 (UTC)


 * No, I don't. How about making a request on Wikipedia talk:Swedish Wikipedians' notice board (Just went on a search and found this). Statυs  (talk) 06:35, 5 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, I can do Swedish.
 * Ref 1) www.gyllenhaal.org is in English so reading shouldn't be a problem, but it seems to be a family-edited source so not independent. However it could be used with care for non-contentious facts.
 * Ref 2) the Nordisk familjebok is a reliable encyclopedia (good RS) so we can use any facts from there; it lists (as any English reader can see) Leonard G, entomolog(ist), Karl Henrik G, nobleman and civil servant; Lars Herman G, nobleman and minister of justice. And obviously there are facts and dates for each of these. Please let me know what exactly you'd like me to do with the data, it could take a few hours of work.
 * Ref 3) similarly the Svenskt biografiskt handlexicon is a reliable source (like DNB). As people can see, it covers Leonard G and Carl Henrik G again - it seems that Carl = Karl by the way. Again, if you want me to trawl through these sources, I'll do so but precise direction for the work would be appreciated.
 * These two sources are certainly enough to establish that the Gyllenhaal family is notable, indeed distinguished, with at least LG and CHG included. And the recent family members Maggie and Jake are undoubtedly notable, there are many RS available for them. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:26, 5 July 2012 (UTC)


 * In addition, Matilda Gyllenhaal has an entry in both NF and SBH, and Lars Herman is also listed in NF - ( and ). --bonadea contributions talk 10:00, 6 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep in some form, whether as articles on given the number of the notable individuals in this notable or as a family, per the above notes, and the additional facts from bonadea. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:26, 5 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your response. Specifically, can you find any information that is in the references that is stated in the article? We are not sure if someone who can read Swedish took the information from there and placed it in the article. Statυs  (talk) 08:34, 5 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I've had a look at the NF and SBH articles now, and they provide good (and quite similar) coverage of the G family, both describing the family father Nils Gunnarsson Haal and members Leonard, Carl Henrik, Lars Herman and Mat(h)ilda. The material on all later members obviously doesn't come from these venerable sources. I've added citations in the article for these facts. Chiswick Chap (talk) 05:58, 7 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. Since it appears not to be OR, the only question is notability, and inclusion in two respected encyclopedias is enough to satisfy that requirement. DoctorKubla (talk) 08:33, 5 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. In addition to articles about individual family members, both Nordisk familjebok and SBH have brief introductory articles about the family itself. In addition to the above-mentioned notable members of the family, Johan Abraham Gyllenhaal has an article in Nationalencyklopedin, which is also a RS. --bonadea contributions talk 10:00, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
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