Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gzim Selmani


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure)  Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk)  03:01, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Gzim Selmani

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Non-notable MMA fighter. Fails WP:NMMA with just one top tier fight and that was a loss two years ago. Being signed to a developmental contract for NXT doesn't make him notable as a pro wrestler, either. The coverage consists of routine reporting of results or the promotional release about him signing a NXT contract, nothing that meets GNG.Mdtemp (talk) 17:51, 10 June 2016 (UTC)


 * KeepThis article has plenty of citations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.147.251.94 (talk) 15:27, 14 June 2016 (UTC)


 * KeepRecently made NXT television debut, first Albanian wrestler in WWE history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bluejaysfan777 (talk • contribs) 18:09, 10 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep NXT television debut on June 8 at a major event. Notable as a featured television performer. 94.174.101.121 (talk) 18:25, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Appearing on TV doesn't guarantee notability nor does being an Albanian wrestler (who isn't yet in the real WWE).Mdtemp (talk) 18:29, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Appearing on TV as a featured WWE performer does guarantee notability within pro wrestling. Performer is as notable as No Way Jose, Elias Samson etc. According to WP:PAGEVIEW there were over 4,000 pageviews of this article yesterday, that suggests notability to me.94.174.101.121 (talk) 18:39, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Peter Rehse (talk) 19:58, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wrestling-related deletion discussions. Peter Rehse (talk) 19:58, 10 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete As per nominator. Fails WP:NMMA and I don't think NXT appearance is notable.Peter Rehse (talk) 19:58, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Definitely fails to meet the notability criteria for MMA fighters. I'm not a pro wrestling fan and there is no SNG for pro wrestlers, except for being entertainers, so I rely on WP:GNG.  I see fight results and some coverage of him signing with NXT, but that's just a training program for WWE.  That means he isn't competing at the highest level, a requirement for athletes, and he doesn't meet WP:GNG.  I don't think appearing on TV guarantees notability.  If someone can point me to some significant independent coverage then I'll reconsider my vote. Papaursa (talk) 00:01, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm removing my vote based on the sources below. The fact that I'm not sure about the reliability and independence of those sources is why I'm not changing my vote to keep.  They are, however, enough to give me reasonable doubt about his notability.  As for those who object to my mentioning the MMA criteria, it was to show that I had considered all SNG criteria. Papaursa (talk) 00:06, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Independent coverage:     Again, this is a professional wrestler who recently made his debut at a major event and is now an active part of WWE's television roster. See List of WWE personnel. His MMA career is irrelevant to his notability.94.174.101.121 (talk) 06:11, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't underestimate NXT despite it being developmental. It tours nationally and internationally, and it's TV show is broadcast around the world. Its international outreach competes with the #2 American company TNA because WWE is so successful. starship.paint ~  KO   13:41, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. Not meeting WP:NMMA is insufficient reason to delete, as he nit just an MMA fighter. Specific notability guidelines are always secondary to the GNG, which, as the anon notes, he passes. Also, while NXT is, in part, developmental for the main WWE roster, they do sell out 20,000 seat arenas for NXT shows. Not exactly "just a training program". oknazevad (talk) 11:28, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. Above comment I agree with as well as that by Papaursea. (talk) 12:48, 16 June 2016 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.193.250.253 (talk)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  10:22, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment - I have added more reliable sources for his WWE career per WP:PW/RS. starship.paint ~  KO   14:34, 18 June 2016 (UTC)


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