Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Håkon Winther (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Clear consensus around Mentoz86's analysis that the subject does not satisfy the general notability guideline. WilliamH (talk) 12:15, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Håkon Winther
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This was originally deleted at Articles for deletion/Håkon Winther in August 2008 but then recreated on 11 June 2010 and deleted under G4 on 10 January 2012. This deletion was contested at DRV and the deleting admin requested listing AFD - which is why we are here. The article at the time of the first deletion looked like this and at the second deletion looked like this. As this is a procedural listing, I am taking no position on this discussion. Spartaz Humbug! 07:27, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. &#9733;&#9734;  DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 15:07, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - I will divide my conclusion in three parts, as there are three things that could make him notable. First: football-career - fails WP:NFOOTY, has not played in a fully professional league (The first AfD was mostly on his football-career). Second: playerhistory.com - fails WP:GNG, the fact that playerhistory.com has an article on wikipedia, does not make the founder notable for an article. As the founder of such a site, he could have been a "pundit" that media called for curious facts regarding football, but he isn't. The only thing I could find, is when he commented on Lutz Pfannenstiel becoming the first footballer to play in all six continents. Here you can see that 100% Fotball, a cooperation between several newspapers (five of the seven biggest, plus a lot of regional and local papers) in Norway on football-news, has written about him twice. Third: political career - 21 October 2008 he startet a political party named Hålogalandspartiet (source) and 25 October 2008 he withdrew from the party (source). Hålogalandspartiet did not participate in the election in 2009 (source), but I haven't figured out why. I haven't ever heard of either Håkon Winther or Hålogalandspartiet, so in my opinion his political career clearly fails WP:GNG. Mentoz86 (talk) 15:33, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete - Would be a straightforward 'delete' per Mentoz86's comprehensive analysis, but the fact that the majority of the cited sources are in Norwegian leaves me with little to verify the significance of his political career. Setting up a facebook group of 6000 members means nothing, but what of the significance of the resulting party?  Either way, as Mentoz86 indicates, notability isn't inherited and this article subject's personal notability is not established to my mind.  The minor league football career and website founding can be discounted.  -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 17:59, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - per Mentoz86, excellent analysis. GiantSnowman 09:23, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - Aside from the obvious COI problems with an WP:AUTO, I believe Mentoz86 has well illustrated the reasons why the article does not conform to our policies. ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 13:34, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per Mentoz86 research. Non-notable as a footballer (hasn't played in a fully professional league), and as a politician (he wasn't elected at a political office). Fails WP:GNG as well. – Kosm  1  fent  17:48, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Mentoz did a great job pointing out why he wouldn't be notable if he were just a politician. He also did a great job pointing out why he wouldn't be notable if he were just a football player. Again, he did a great job pointing out why he wouldn't be notable if he had just set up the playerhistory site. I did not see anything addressing whether all of these things together make him notable enough for an article. Here is one mention I found of him concerning the political party: .--The Devil&#39;s Advocate (talk) 18:39, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment I don't know if you understand Norwegian, but this blog wonders what have happened to Hålogalandspartiet (now renamed to Regionspartiet), and mentions Winther, since he is the founder of the party (even though he resigned after 4 days). I still believe it's too little to pass WP:GNG. Mentoz86 (talk) 19:13, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment if he has engaged in three activities, in none of which he is notable, the fact that he does all three of them does not make him notable. People need to be notable in some one thing. It's more characteristically argued of society figures. but it applies here also. Anyone can easily be unimportant in as many things as he chooses. (I'm not notable as a librarian nor as a biochemist, but there are very few librarians who are also biochemists--does that make me notable?)   DGG ( talk ) 06:07, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment- Agreed. The Devil's Advocate is fair to mention that notability can be determined from more than one field/profession. But in this case, most people !voting in the AFD appear to believe that the subject's exploits in various areas are not demonstrated to combine to push him over the notability threshold. ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 08:57, 20 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete: Following DGG's comment, 0+0+0=0.  The concept of "notability" begins with the GNG, which holds that a subject be discussed in "significant detail" in multiple reliable sources.  The premise behind subordinate criteria such as WP:POLITICIAN, WP:NSPORTS and WP:CREATIVE is that someone who meets them is presumed by that fact alone to be able to satisfy the GNG.  If you can't meet WP:POLITICIAN as a political figure, you probably didn't meet the GNG.  If you can't meet WP:NSPORTS as an athlete, you probably didn't meet the GNG.   Ravenswing  10:08, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
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