Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Héctor Omar Mejía


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. The key issue here seems to be that WP:FPL does not list the league Mejía played in. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:00, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Héctor Omar Mejía

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested by the articles creator on the basis that the Salvadoran top flight is fully pro, an assertion not supported by reliable sources. Sir Sputnik (talk) 19:15, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 19:24, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
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 * Comment Not only does there seem to be no consensus at WP:FPL about whether the Primera División of the El Salvador Professional Football League is fully professional - there doesn't even seem to be any discussion. Wouldn't it be worthwhile to have such a discussion before trying to delete generally well-formed articles about players who have played for years for at the top level of football in El Salvador - on teams that have had resonable success in the Champions League. Nfitz (talk) 00:48, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep Many years playing for top league in El Salvador, including numerous Champions League appearances. Selected for national team in 2004, but no evidence of playing. But has generated much media coverage over the last decade.     . Nfitz (talk)
 * Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. A discussion on whether the top El Salvadorean League is FPL is perhaps merited, but current consensus as per WP:FPL is that it is not. We do not keep articles that are of players that might play in FPLs. Of the sources provided above, only number four is of length even approaching that needed for substantial coverage. The remainder are each only a few lines long and look very WP:ROUTINE. Fenix down (talk) 15:50, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I believe the statement by Fenix down that there is consensus at WP:FPL about El Salvador is false. Not only is there no consensus there.  It's never once come up for discussion. Nfitz (talk) 23:37, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - Seriously? Do you understand the complete illogicality of what you just wrote? What you have said is that if a country is not on the FPL list it is therefore an FPL by definition because no discussion has been had. This is obviously nonsensical. The FPL list, as should be abundantly clear to you operates by definition on an inclusive basis, i.e. when a source is provided to indicate FPL status and consensus is reached that this is reliable, it is added to the list. The fact that the league is not on the list means there is not consensus that it is an FPL. This does not mean that a league not on it is not fully pro, nor that there is not scope for discussion, but this is irrelevant when considering players per NFOOTY. If the league is not on FPL then it is not currently verifiably fully pro. Fenix down (talk) 09:24, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - Seriously? I'm simply pointing out that the claim that there a consensus that it not a fully professional league is false.  There is no consensus, one way or another.  Not only is there no consensus one way or another, there hasn't ever been a discussion. Why do you claim that there is conensus that it is not a FPL, when this is clearly not the case.  Why are you twisting my very simple words? Nfitz (talk) 05:27, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * WP:FPL is a consensus based opinion on what is a fully professional league or not. The fact that there may or may not have been a discussion about any given league is not relevant. If it is not on the list it is not deemed to be an FPL, simple as that, the discussion has to be held to achieve consensus before any league can be added, this has not happened. Where there has not been a discussion or where consensus has been reached that it is not the default view is that it is not an FPL. The salvadorean league is not on the list, there for the default opinion is that it is not an FPL. This is not a concrete view and leagues can move on and off the list. If you believe that the Salvadorean league is FP, then please start a discussion in the relevant place to achieve consensus. If you do not, I don't understand the purpose of your comments. Fenix down (talk) 09:18, 21 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete - Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. There is no evidence that the El Salvadorian League is Fully Pro. JMHamo (talk) 12:47, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
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