Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/HAPI drum


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Spartaz Humbug! 15:13, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

HAPI drum

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Wikipedia is not for things made up one day. According to its website, HAPI is trademarked. DaveCW (talk) 04:41, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Further research shows that a number of commercial and hobby versions of this instrument are being produced, which I think makes them of interest. They are all basically steel versions of slit drums or tongue drums, and could be included in the existing articles on slit drums - an ancient and non-trademarked instrument. DaveCW (talk) 05:00, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 16:36, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Keep cant say its highly notable, but the drum manufacturers website lists 2 testimonials from notable drummers (they have WP articles that are not currently disputed). I can see an argument for merging with slit drums, but i must point out that "things made up one day" and "trademarked" are not valid arguments for deletion here. trademarked products can and should have articles, if they are sufficiently notable. "things made up" doesnt mean things manufactured, it means things thought up. anything patented, manufactured and sold with any degree of success is a prime candidate for an article or mention in one. i did have trouble finding other references for this product, though. maybe someone else will have better skill at it. oh and googling "hapi drum" in quotes gets 78900 hits, pretty impressive (though i know raw ghits is not a pure argument for either keep or delete, it does seem to show name recognition). article of course comes off as somewhat promotional, but that, again, is not a rationale for deletion if evidence of notability is extant.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 17:52, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Delete Sorry, I am new to this, I think there is an abbreviation I should be using, but "things made up one day" is indeed a valid argument for deletion. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_for_things_made_up_one_day As for the trademark, I cite it as evidence of a non-neutral point of view. Title the article "Steel Tongue Drum", or tell the reader why HAPI is significantly different than other brands of the same basic instrument. A patent would help convince me that there is a difference, but I don't think they have one. DaveCW (talk) 19:46, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:37, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * you are correct, things made up one day can be a valid argument. it applies to ideas or objects not in the pubic sphere yet, such as neologisms or unmarketed prototypes of objects with no press attention (i have this nutcracker in the shape of a polaris missile that i made, its cool and it works-that sort of thing). this product is manufactured and distributed, so the argument doesnt apply. its absolutely ok to have an article that is a copyrighted brand name. just check out the numerous articles on businesses and products here. we can use trademark images in articles as well, its fair use, as long as its limited to articles significantly about that trademarked item. i believe their website shows they have patents. the rename suggestion doesnt work, as this is in fact about this brand, not the idea of a metal tongue drum. the debate here must, and will, focus on the companys and its products general notability. i believe its notable enough to deserve an article, but others may not. the article could become a section of the slit drum article, of course. I do agree that an important part of the article should be how this product is different from other slit drums, but that alone is not necessarily an argument for deletion, only improvement. PS i have no conflict of interest. in fact, i have the opposite. i personally knew the person who probably was the first westerner to make and sell small wooden slit drums in the US, but they never patented, copyrighted, etc, and others copied them, eventually leading to this major music instrument category. Since this persons work in this area was not documented at all, from WP perspective it doesnt exist. sad but true. i would personally prefer they have an article on this person, and am annoyed that they will never get credit for what they did, but WP is not a memorial site. and since they never sold a lot (though they did sell to at least one MAJOR musician), its almost as if what they did was a thing made up one day. of course, i really hope someone else will comment here. we will not be able to decide this alone. hello out there?Mercurywoodrose (talk) 19:19, 31 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, then I guess what I am looking for is a new article on steel tongue drums - on the general idea, how to play... i.e. 99% of the contents of this article, and then this article would be confined to what is unique about the HAPI. I would say the same thing about an article on the "Fender Stratocaster" - I would expect that an article exists on "Guitar", and the "Fender Stratocaster" article was limited to what is unique (in construction, in who plays it,...) about it.  I suppose I could do that myself, but I don't want to be autocratic.  Hello out there? DaveCW (talk) 20:42, 2 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete, has one Google News hit which doesn't look like a good source, and nothing else. Sources in article are not reliable. Abductive  (reasoning) 05:59, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per the lack of coverage in reliable sources. The sources in the article do not suffice to establish notability because they are not independent sources. Cunard (talk) 10:27, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, the article should be moved to the Hank drum article as HAPI is just one of the companies selling Hank drums --Sonicwarrior (talk) 14:23, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.