Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/HFC134


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 21:57, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

HFC134
Article is written about HFC134a, not HFC134. Article contains numerous factual errors, is poorly written, and is innapropriately named and categorised. EdwardShelley 13:40, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * All of which problems can be solved by an ordinary editor doing ordinary editing. Getting an administrator to hit the delete button does not solve any of those problems.  AFD is not the only tool in the toolbox. Uncle G 18:19, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment If, as the article suggests, HFC134 and HFC134a are the same thing, then it should just redirect to 1,1,1,2-Tetrafluoroethane like HFC134a does. But given that I'm no expert in propellants, I'm not going to "vote" that way. BryanG(talk) 22:38, 3 September 2006 (UTC)


 * HFC134 and HFC134a are not the same thing, just one of the errors on the article. The page is titled "HFC134", HFC134 is not used as an airsoft propellant, is not the same as HFC134a. The only entry on this page should be the list of chemical properties of the compound, such as on the HFC134a page. The reason I nominated for deletion rather than editing is because there is nothing of worth to edit:


 * "HFC134 (aka HFC134a) is the weaker of two commonly used propellants used in Airsoft gas guns."
 * HFC134 is not the same as HFC134a. HFC134 is not used as a propellant in airsoft guns.


 * "The other, HFC22, is considerably more powerful. A particularly confusing aspect of this is that both are known as "Green Gas", though HFC22 is more commonly know by that name."
 * HFC22 is not one of the two common propellants. The two common propellants are HFC134a and Green Gas (Propane). HFC22 is not called Green Gas, it is called Red Gas, and is not one of the two common propellants.


 * "Many beginning airsofters confuse the two types of gasses, and use HFC22 gas in a gun meant for HFC134. The rule of thumb is if your gun has a metal slide, you can use HFC22. Typically, Taiwanese GBB airsoft guns (such as KWC and KJW) use HFC22, while the Japanese (Tokyo Marui, Western Arms) use HFC134. Using HFC22 in an airsoft gun meant for HFC134 will significantly lower its lifespan."
 * This could refer to HFC22 and HFC134a but is far more likely to refer to Green Gas (propane) instead of HFC22, as Green Gas is more common. Also should read KSC not KWC.


 * "Other gasses that can be used in airsoft guns are Carbon Dioxide or Black Gas (CO2) and Red Gas, however, these gasses are more powerful than Green Gas or HFC134a and may cause damage to your gun. Do not use them unless your gun is meant to take the pressure."
 * Carbon dioxide is rarely referred to as Black Gas. Red Gas as mentioned before is HFC22, not another propellant. Though Red Gas should not be used in certain guns as recommended, the recommendation not to use carbon dioxide is bizarre. Not only is carbon dioxide not readily available in the same kind of dispenser as is used to fill the magazine resevoirs on airsoft guns, but it is supplied in specialised cartridges that will only fit in guns that are designed to use carbon dioxide. EdwardShelley
 * Fair enough, then delete or rewrite since this article is garbage as is. BryanG(talk) 15:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete, Wikipedia is not a how-to guide to refilling airguns. Besides, since HFC134 and HFC134a are different (see this table), the entire article would have to be rewritten. --Huon 15:24, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, start one about 1,1,2,2-Tetrafluoroethane (if it is worth an article), then recreate HFC134 as a redirect. Michael Kinyon 07:53, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Content belongs at 1,1,1,2-Tetrafluoroethane (HFC134a), but I find nothing salvagable to merge. --Ed (Edgar181) 14:54, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.