Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/HMS Mersham (M2709)


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The result was keep. The name of the article does not need to be decided by AfD and is left to the typical processes for renaming. RL0919 (talk) 01:26, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

HMS Mersham (M2709)

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While there are many, many ships that ARE notable, this one isn't. According to the page, which is just based on one page, it was completed in 1955 and then transferred to France sometime later that year. As such, it was never really in service, and the fact that the British Navy briefly named it before transferring it isn't notable and barely verifiable. Notability is important. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericwg (talk • contribs) 18:44, 04 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 19:02, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 19:02, 4 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep The ship was in service for 32 years and so has an extensive history. Its transfer and name change is included in the article and is not a reason to delete.  If we wanted to change the title of the article then this would be done by a move – I'll move it back and forth to demonstrate. Andrew D. (talk) 21:39, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - Hmm, this is a tough one. The ship is of course covered in a number of editions of e.g., Jane's Fighting Ships, since she served in the French Navy for a number of decades. I don't have a copy of Jane's any more, still less one from that time period, but from the snippets visible in Google the description appear to be 1-2 sentences. There is no guide for determining ship notability so I am looking at other guides to see if there is anything that might help here, however based on the WP:NASTRO guide this would be keep, since coverage in Jane's would be the counterpart to being listed in a catalogue of interest to amateurs. If, however, it is decided not to keep the article then it should be merged into the article covering the Ham class of minesweepers. FOARP (talk) 21:41, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:NASTRO is about astronomical objects whose numbers are literally astronomical – 2MASS lists over 300 million. Warships of this size are not so numerous. Andrew D. (talk) 09:38, 5 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep and move to French minesweeper Violette. Notable, but probably best kept under the French name. Buckshot06 (talk) 00:54, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Don't we need something a bit more substantial to support notability than a Jane's listing, or is that sufficient by itself? I'm inclined to keep but I'm not sure about this point. FOARP (talk) 09:20, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Named warships are usually presumed notable – see WP:SHIPOUTCOMES. The fact that this one was transferred from one navy to another is not especially unusual or any kind of reason to delete.  If anything, the transfer makes it more notable because there's more to say and we have the French-language sources to consider as well as the English.   Note also that the title French minesweeper Violette was created as a redirect in 2009 and so we already have that covered. Andrew D. (talk) 09:25, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Good enough for me. KEEP FOARP (talk) 11:55, 5 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep per Andrew D. - here is a summary of its career in French. Llammakey (talk) 11:37, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. All warships are notable. Probably should be moved to its French name though. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:10, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
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