Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/HMS Thunder Child


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The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:01, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

HMS Thunder Child

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A minor plot element in The War of the Worlds that doesn't merit a standalone article. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:53, 13 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I strongly disagree. In the field of science fiction literature this is the canonical example of human forces getting in a minor win early on. Thunder Child is the trope namer. kencf0618 (talk) 00:44, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I've been reading science fiction for over half a century, and I've never heard of this so-called trope. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:18, 14 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:41, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:41, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:41, 14 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep: neither the nominator, nor anyone else, have provided assurances that a reasonable search has been made for additional sources per WP:BEFORE as to whether this subject is an independently notable subject
 * I'm willing to change my vote to delete if assurances are provided that those searches were made Jack4576 (talk) 08:02, 14 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep There's at least some academic discussion in ; and . These discuss the  HMS Thunder Child and it's crew's "humanity" in contrast to that of the aliens', and how the technology of the Thunder Child is contrasted to those of the aliens', respectively. There's also a passing mention in  where it's described as an example of how ramming in this era was "armchair tactics".Second, there appears to be plenty of coverage in The Wellsian, for example, but I'm not too certain how rigorously academic it is as a publication.Finally, I'm seeing a bunch of further hits in what are certainly RS, but to which I don't have personal access to evaluate the depth of coverage. See, for example, ; ; and . If anyone has access to those, or any of the plenty more hits in Google Scholar/Books I can't access, I'd appreciate a quick summary of the depth of coverage. Even ignoring the sources I can't access, overall, my quick survey leaves me fairly confident that there's enough here for a GNG-pass based on the academic sources alone. -Ljleppan (talk) 08:41, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * While I'm not a very literary analytical person, I've added some prose into the article based on the above. Ljleppan (talk) 11:04, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: As well as the above from Ljleppan, between the book, the song and the expy Thunderchild bit being a staple of numerous adaptations this is fairly solid notability-wise IMHO, the thing's probably had more written about it than a good 90% of actual Royal Navy ships. Article is a bit crufty but I've been reading Marvel Comics articles all morning so crufty is relative. Plus it ring-fences all the bits and bobs away from the article on the book. BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 12:21, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 13:13, 15 May 2023 (UTC)


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