Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/HP 7470


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep ...of some sorts. Whether a merge is appropriate can be considered on the article talkpage. -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 18:45, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

HP 7470

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Does not seem to be a notable product. A book search gave lots of adverts and name drops from the time but little else. Mattg82 (talk) 19:14, 2 February 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 10:17, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. North America1000 13:22, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   17:58, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Weak keep Although I can see the argument, it is curated by a museum and is referenced a few times in accountancy/graph making technical literature from the 80s that I can see. I added a reference to the museum, which I suspect was the source for the article in the first place. Not the most remarkable printer, but then, how remarkable are printers in general? --TeaDrinker (talk) 21:36, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
 *  Delete, with sadness . I had one of these.  It was a pretty neat piece of gear.  Hmm, no, maybe it was a 7475 that we had.  Yeah, I think it must have been a 7475.  Either way, neat technology, although by then HP was starting down the slow slide into the commodity hardware business.  HP-GL was a nice little language, too.  I seem to remember you could get liquid ink pens in addition to the standard felt-tip markers, for publication-quality plots.  Sadly, though, most of the article is WP:OR and my own searching failed to find anything I would call a WP:RS.  -- RoySmith (talk) 01:02, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Struck my delete !vote. Suggest now a limited merge to HP-GL, which could do well to include a list (with limited details) of the more significant devices which implement it.  -- RoySmith (talk) 15:54, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep I added some more content and another museum and book ref. Being listed in two computer history museums and in a book on computer graphics history provides three RS, which together are enough to support a short article on the plotter. --Mark viking (talk) 01:57, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
 * The Dan Ryan book you cite is self-published. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:12, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Good catch--yes, the Ryan should not count as peer-reviewed and thus reliable. I did find a meaty PC Mag review article discussing the plotter authored by Winn Rosch--I consider it in depth and reliable. --Mark viking (talk) 20:38, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. The museum reference is sufficient for notability, as for any historical item.  DGG ( talk ) 05:29, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure which of the two museum sources you're referring to, so I'll take them both in turn.
 * Centre for Computing History says their collection includes about 24,000 items. Surely you're not saying that every one of those 24,000 items is notable, just because they've got one?  Really cool collection, but an arbiter of what's notable and what's not?  Not so much.
 * HP Computer Museum says their goal is, to have working models of all computers and peripherals produced by Hewlett-Packard during the company’s first 25 years in the industry. Same comment goes here.  Is everything HP ever made notable?  It may well be that the stuff they've got now is the least notable fraction, because it's what was most easily obtained.  The HP 9100 is much more obviously a notable device, but much harder to find.  My school had one of these, but it was pretty much obsolete by the time I was there (late 1970's).  I do hope it got preserved somewhere and not tossed in a dumpster.
 * In short, I'm not convinced that being in the collection of either of these places establishes notability. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:54, 25 February 2018 (UTC)


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