Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/H dōjin


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was merge and redirect to Dōjin. Seraphimblade Talk to me 10:03, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

H dōjin

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First, one needs to realize a few things about dōjin:
 * 1) The majority of dōjin are H. They are the rule, rather than the exception.
 * 2) Dōjin means that something was self-published, making it inherently non-notable unless proven otherwise.
 * 3) There are literally thousands, if not millions of H dōjin out there, so having a list of all of them is futile.
 * 4) The (incorrectly name) Category:Dojin and its subcategories takes care of any dōjin that actually might be notable in some way. SeizureDog 08:09, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep per nom, the term seems notable. A complete list would be pointless, but it doesn't appear to the the point.  The article could use a LOT of help (what is a dōjin, what does the H stand for?  Where is the term commonly used?) --Hobit 09:34, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I probably should have pointed out that dōjin is its own article, which pretty much answers what you're asking. Ecchi answers your question about the H.--SeizureDog 10:01, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge if possible, otherwise delete. SYSS Mouse 13:46, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep I don't think the idea of this article is inherently hopeless. I think this could use some attention, probably just a few knowledgeable folks to reduce the list to a reasonable length and perhaps add some text about the history of this specific area of dojinshi. I would like to say "establish notability criteria for the list", but that is hard to do for self-published material. If deleted, this should definitely be merged back to dojinshi, which links to it. --Brianyoumans 14:43, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete: as presently constituted, this is nothing more than a dicdef.  RGTraynor 15:16, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge to dojin. Although I wouldn't say H dojins are the rule... _dk 17:31, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep doesn't have to be just a list like it is now: it can talk about the type of work, with perhaps discussions of some. DGG 19:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions.   -- Kusunose 04:06, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge to dojin. I have never seen a non-H dojin, and the association between the two is storng.  There is no need for a seperate article. MightyAtom 04:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete or Weak merge to doujin.  OK... dojin is not dojinshi but a broader category of self-published works.  Not all things dojin are sexually explicit and claiming as such is just silly.  The article itself is a dicdef with a red-link farm of non-notable titles.  Just mention it in the main article and be done with it.   --Kunzite 04:13, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I never claimed that all dōjin are sexually explicit. I specifically said that the majority are, which can hardly be argued. I've actually yet to even see a non-sexual dōjinshi...--SeizureDog 07:27, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.