Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Habibi Silsila


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. I'm closing as delete, referring to the mainspace article (now a redirect to the incubated version). Once rewritten, it may be appropriate to move it back. Kevin (talk) 21:52, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Habibi Silsila

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This article isn't even written encyclopedicly. It has no reliable sources, and just seems to be a copyvio from somewhere else. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, and also fails the notability test. — MC10 ( T • C • GB •[ L ]• EM )  03:56, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.  -- - Spaceman  Spiff  04:15, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions.  -- - Spaceman  Spiff  04:15, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete for now. Not possible to determine Notability in its current incoherent state but if rewritten it may possibly emerge as notable.  I suspect this is a bona fide effort to describe somebody of note but just needs assistance, I would offer to help myself but probably better if it were somebody culturally closer to the author, ideally with both English and the author's language.  Suggest delete now and possibly reintroduce after: 1. Complete rewrite by somebody with good English language skills. 2. Redevelop to conform with Wikipedia Manual of Style - see WP:MOSBIO. 3. Add citations. E x nihil  (talk) 05:10, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Question Is this a copyvio in part? It seems to be a translation of something Spartaz Humbug! 02:40, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - More-or-less unsourced and is unsalveagably badly written. I can't really tell if it's notable or not. Does it still count as copyvio if it's been translated in this way? Probably. The above proposal for recreation seems sensible,  Lord Spongefrog,  (I am the Czar of all Russias!)  19:11, 29 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Neither this article is copied nor well written. We need some experts to help us in fixing the problem and make it presentable.  Hyk 99.244.249.141 (talk) 01:53, 30 October 2009 (UTC) --99.244.249.141 (talk) 01:53, 30 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I am sure the authorities will reconsider our problem and will try to help us. Our intention is to bring this great Sufi Saint to the light - it is a kind of biography and his contribution to the society.   We are trying to get more information from various local languages and maybe will try to seek help from good English writers.. Meanwhile we request Wiki people not to delete this article   Thank you in advance.. Hyk 99.244.249.141 (talk) 01:55, 30 October 2009 (UTC)   --99.244.249.141 (talk) 01:55, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, this fails multiple policies and is unlikely to be fixed in the short term. If our anonymous friend wishes to register an account he can have it moved to his userspace to allow rework, but this is likely to take some considerable time so it's not a good idea to leave it in mainspace in the mean time. Guy (Help!) 19:40, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete If I am understanding it correctly, Habibi Silsila is a Sufi order (silsilah) started by Sayed Khwaja Habib Ali Shah. However the article and sources are written in such a hagiographer and incoherent style, that it is difficult for me to make any further sense of them. Also, the linked websites are not really reliable, and I didn't find any useful books/articles online. So while the subject may possibly be notable, there is no point keeping this article around. Abecedare (talk) 04:27, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * We are in process of seeking expertise help please bear with us. We will reformat and incorporate the books and other mateial.  This was an attempt.. Thank you for understanding and considering to hold the deletion at this point...  We realize it is not meeting the criteria of wiki.. thank you  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.244.249.141 (talk) 01:24, 3 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Hold it a moment I have offered to help rewrite this article with the original authors because I think there could be something noteworthy in it. Meantime I have recommended that the originators voluntarily blank the page themselves to avoid having a delete recorded against this page name.  We will repost it if we can get something together that conforms. Meantime, it would be good if this page could be left for them to blank. E x nihil  (talk) 02:25, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Ex nihil, it would be great if you could help the IPs develop the article. Since blanking an article in mainspace is not recommended, how about userification in your userspace, or moving to WP:INCUBATE ? I have no objections to either options as an alternative to deletion. Abecedare (talk) 03:46, 3 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I have moved this to Article Incubator/Habibi Silsila so we can work on in in seclusion, perhaps somebody with the authority to do so can remove the AfD tag for us? E x nihil  (talk) 08:41, 4 November 2009 (UTC).


 * Incubate as that step has already been initiated and shows some hope. Also Note that two of the above delete !votes have effectively changed to incubate. - Spaceman  Spiff  02:23, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.