Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hacker Ministry (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. Yunshui 雲 水 07:55, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Hacker Ministry
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The first part of the article engages in unsourced speculation on the real-world dates of Jim Hacker's political career and the second is a list of fictional cabinet members, including the "former Permanent Secretary of the Ministry of Defence." It stands in violation of point 1 of WP:IINFO as it merely summarizes rather than discusses "the development, design, reception, significance, and influence of works." I could find no sources apart from the TV show or book that discuss this fictional government ministry, and if no sources can be found discussing the Hacker Ministry, we shouldn't have an article on it. I love Yes, Prime Minister, but this doesn't belong here. schetm (talk) 02:08, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. schetm (talk) 02:08, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. schetm (talk) 02:08, 9 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment Can any of this content be moved to the main page? MaskedSinger (talk) 04:41, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * In my view, there's nothing worth merging. The tenure of government section is entirely original research, and everything from Her Majesty's Government on down is pure WP:LISTCRUFT. Merging the content anywhere would violate either WP:OR or WP:IINFO. schetm (talk) 13:25, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I quite like the Her Majesty's Government section. It is not LISTCRUFT, it is essentially a list of characters, but organised according to role rather than the organisation on the Yes Minister page which is the more conventional main/minor arrangement.  However, that may be more suitable for Wikia than here. SpinningSpark 15:14, 9 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. The material is either entirely in-universe, or a discussion of the dates of the Hacker government. The latter is all WP:SYNTH of in-universe statements.  The writers of Yes Minister clearly kept the dates deliberately obscure, presumably to prevent association with any real-world government.  Any claimed ability to be able to deduce the dates is akin to spotting continuity errors in movies.  For this to be notable, sources with out-of-universe discussion of the subject are required, which are entirely lacking at the moment. It's hard to imagine how a source might discuss the Hacker government separately for Yes Minister in any case. SpinningSpark 15:05, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - apart from the fact this is all very speculative and seems to contain original research, a fictional administration would have to have a lot of coverage and significance to meet the notability standards needed for an article. While, yes Minister/Prime Minister were popular series the actual Hacker ministry is not really a significant part of the series. Other than the main characters (two of whom are civil servants) the rest barely appear. Dunarc (talk) 22:59, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wholly non-encyclopaedic.  RobinCarmody (talk) 19:45, 15 July 2019 (UTC)


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