Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hacker clans

I can find no evidence of the existence of the groups listed in the page. While hackers may congregate in groups to achieve common goals, the term "hacker clan" and much of the article appears fictional to say the least. --cprompt 05:31, 7 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Well the concept of a hacker clan isn't entirely rubbish. ponder The Cult of the Dead Cow or Another group for examples of groups that have either been considered, or consider themselves, to be such a thing. I've heard of the terms white hat and black hat, but wasn't aware that the system still existed.Rhymeless 05:40, 7 May 2004 (UTC)
 * I agree, there are groups of hackers (is there any activity that doesn't organize into groups of people) but that what was written in the article is largely rubbish. I'll withdraw my objection to the actual use of the term "hacker clan", but I still hold the article is largely fictional. I guess I wouldn't mind if someone rewrote the article and talked about The Cult of the Dead Cow and Back Orifice (assuming they actually call themselves a "Hacker Clan"), but what can you say about a hacker group without degenerating into Hollywood cliche and speculation about what a top-secret underground group would be like? --cprompt 05:48, 7 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Problem is, realistically, it's something of a Fight Club mentality. cDc considers themselves an anarchy group basically. I don't think any self-respecting hacker clan would actually call themselves that. Hacker clan as a term really brings to mind multiplayer PC gaming (in my case, at least). Rhymeless 06:06, 7 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: unverified. Wile E. Heresiarch 15:56, 10 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Rewrite to be more NPOV Burgundavia 07:07, May 13, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: unverified. Andris 15:30, May 13, 2004 (UTC)