Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hafsa Sultan (daughter of Selim I)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Noting that Articles for deletion/Şehzade Sultan has closed as delete, so at least we now have only one article?  Sandstein  19:15, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Hafsa Sultan (daughter of Selim I)

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The material is exactly a copy of another article titled Şehzade Sultan. It isn't well-sourced and probably contains original research. Keivan.f Talk 10:17, 11 February 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge and keep. Princesses tend to be notable. There does not appear to be OR to my eye; there are sources, albeit not inline. Bottom line is, I think this is verging on an abusive AfD and very poor handling of a straightforward potential merge. --Tagishsimon (talk) 10:54, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment 1: Although it's a duplicate, but I may also, like User:Tagishsimon, agree to keep it as Valide Hafsa Sultan seemed to have a daughter named Hafsa, but Şehzade Sultan shouldn't redirect to it because she probably never existed. Keivan.f  Talk 12:31, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment 2: After reviewing the website that has been used as a source on this page, I realized that unfortunately the information is wrong. As it can be seen here Hafsa Sultan is only mentioned as a daughter of Selim I and Hafsa Valide Sultan. There's no mention of a husband or year of birth and death. According to this source the current article is actually a biography about Hafize Sultan, another daughter of Selim I by his other wife, Ayşe Hatun. So if everyone decides to keep this article then it should probably be moved and the wrong material should be corrected. Keivan.f  Talk 01:25, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 07:35, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Weak keep with changes proposed by Keivan.f. She's borderline, but given the confusion an article providing clarity about the individual is a net plus to the encyclopedia. Smmurphy(Talk) 18:38, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Query: Is "sultana" not the feminine form of "Sultan"? --Andreas Philopater (talk) 18:55, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
 * @Andreas Philopater In Arabic, yes, it is (السلطانه), but the Ottomans didn't use the feminine form for the female members of the Imperial House. Thus they were called Sultan (السلطان) not Sultana, and authors also used the form that was chosen by them in their translations; so a variety of sources refer to them as Valide "X" Sultan, Haseki "Y" Sultan, etc, although in some other sources they have been referred to as Sultana as well. Keivan.f  Talk 11:47, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   13:23, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
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