Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Haileybury Astana


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The result was keep. Spartaz Humbug! 18:21, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Haileybury Astana

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Unsourced; can't find any good independent sources to show that it's notable. Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:19, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Baby miss  fortune 14:22, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep as a secondary school per longstanding precedent and consensus. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:38, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment Using WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES as a guide but not a reason unto itself, my reasons for nominating were:
 * Secondary schools are not presumed to be notable simply because they exist.
 * References to demonstrate notability may be offline, and this must be taken into consideration before bringing a page to AFD. Given that the article was tagged two years ago for being unsourced, I would think that if any offline sources were going to be added, it would have happened by now.
 * The only sources I could find were primary/self-published; brief mentions on the sites of architects and job postings; or news articles where the school was mentioned but not the primary focus of the writing.
 * --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 17:10, 6 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep - secondary sources exist showing the school exists, such as and  and  - on that basis, it should be kept as per longstanding consensus. JMWt (talk) 18:43, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep as per long-standing consensus on the status of schools. PLUS JMWt has found adequate sources. Egaoblai (talk) 01:50, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete unless we have truly indepdent sources that are secondary we should delete the article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:11, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * So, the links I've provided above from Reuters and the Telegraph are not independent and secondary enough for you? JMWt (talk) 12:26, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep as there are sources independent of the subject, satisfies WP:V. I agree with . Störm   (talk)  19:54, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep since there seem to be plenty of sources to demonstrate that the school meets WP:GNG. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:32, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Hang on, the first and third sources found by are actually about Haileybury Almaty, not Haileybury Astana. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:39, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry pardon, my mistake. I must have experienced a form of word blindness because I was trying to look for the latter not the former. JMWt (talk) 12:46, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm pinging and, since they mentioned these sources in their keep rationales, just in case the above changes anything for them. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:52, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Well actually reading those sources again, both mention that another school is being planned in Astana. So they're not as strong evidence as I suggested above, but taken with the other mentions (and, it appears, there may also be others in local language media of which only a small number appear in my google searches), there is enough to show that this school was planned and then opened. We're simply trying to show that the schools is not a fake and it exists, I think this collection of mentions is enough. JMWt (talk) 13:00, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I've managed to find one other source at least, and have added that to the article. Most of the rest should probably be deleted as unsourced and overly promotional. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:56, 9 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Thankyou U|Cordless Larry for the ping. they seem to have provided new sources for WP:V. so at the moment my vote is the same.Egaoblai (talk) 14:50, 10 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Here are some more mentions showing that the Astana school exists and  JMWt (talk) 13:11, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
 * also for completeness this: - not totally independent as it is written by the headteacher, however it is in an secondary publication who presumably are persuaded that it is a real institution. Again, not enough on it's own, but adds to the picture. JMWt (talk) 13:30, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I have no doubt that it exists - we have the sources to demonstrate that. The question for me is whether there is enough coverage to warrant a separate article, or whether a redirect to Haileybury and Imperial Service College might be a better idea. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:25, 10 December 2017 (UTC)


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