Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hairy Maclary Scattercat


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. A vast majority of comments are written against an outright deletion. (non-admin closure) ––Redditaddict69 (talk) (contribs)  05:12, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Hairy Maclary Scattercat

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No independent reliable sources cover this topic. Fails GNG and NBOOK. Steve Quinn (talk) 06:47, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Journalism-related deletion discussions.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 07:36, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletion discussions.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 07:36, 27 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment I have just been having a look at the Hairy Maclary article, which has very few references, and a lot of redlinked titles (and has been like that since at least 2013). I'm thinking that any references that can be found for individual books would most usefully be added to Hairy Maclary, to support his notability as a character, and to verify information about him. Perhaps a short summary of each book could be added there too, and the redlinks removed unless there is clear evidence of notability for individual titles. I haven't yet found any reviews of this particular book, but I have found it listed in a Canadian Library Journal list of books about bullies .... I will come back and !vote when I've checked more, but I'm thinking either Merge to Hairy Maclary (though there are no independent sources anyway ...) or Delete. I don't think a redirect would be useful for this title, given that a search would easily find the main article. RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:14, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirects are cheap; no reason not to have one, and people may well search for the exact title rather than the series. But I agree that it may be a better approach to curate the series article well, rather than trying to sustain meagre articles for individual books. (Dropped a couple of possible sources there) -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 18:45, 27 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Redirect</S> I can find coverage of this book in School Library Journal and Publisher's Weekly but I agree with Elmidae that redirects are cheap and it's better to have one well done article than several poor ones. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 21:49, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 * In addition to the reviews mentioned here, Cool's sourcing of a New Zealand award gives this book enough individual notability to warrant Keep rather than my previous redirect (really merge and redirect). Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 17:47, 30 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment ("Meeow, rowr, mew", "yes mitskie, i know Scarface Claw is one of your kitty heroes, as is The Slinkster, but that doesn't mean that every book that includes him is notable", "Rowwrrr!", "okay, okay i will try to show the nice wikieditors that this book is notable...."), according to WorldCat this book is in over 900 libraries and has gone thru multiple editions (the 1st being 1985, the latest being 2011?), and has been published thruout the world ie. NZ, OZ, USA, England, so is a well known and popular book (in addition, its storyline is the basis for Hairy Maclary, Hide and Seek: A Lift the Flap Book more editions and holdings). It is the basis of an episode of a tv series - see here, the series of books are bestsellers, having sold 5 million, no i dont have sources about how many copies this book has sold to date but would expect this to be a bestseller (this shows it selling almost 100th by May 2004 is that enough?), illustrations from this book were part of an exhibition held at National Library of New Zealand Gallery - see here, in addition to the reviews mentioned by above (although i dont see a review from PW on this specific title, please confirm) and the Canadian Library Journal listing (thanks ), there is a short review here (but really, what more needs to be said:)) by Books for Keeps, and here is a review about the flapbook mentioned above (probably not suitable as a reference?), it also won the 1986 New Zealand Children's Book Awards Picture Book of the Year, so to summarise: heaps of copies/multiple editions held by libraries worldwide, part of a tv series, bestseller, book illustrations part of an exhibition, multiple reviews (2 or 3?), a national book award winner (oh, and includes one of mitskie's kitty heroes:)), so i reckon rather than a "delete" or "merge" this can be a keep. Coolabahapple (talk) 17:42, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * , I did not find the New Zealand award. That does change my thinking about it which I will note in a moment. The PW evidence I can find is from March 31, 2003 which is about the reprint but quotes the original review leading me to believe there was a review. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 17:46, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * thanks. Coolabahapple (talk) 17:50, 30 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment, a lot of Hairy Maclary titles have received awards/are bestsellers so in addition to expanding that silly dog's (mitskie's words, not mine) article, they could also have standalone articles, if only i could get my the cat to type.... Coolabahapple (talk) 17:50, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Thank you, Coolabahapple! I had not found the Picture Book of the Year award - I've now added a link in that article to this book's article. With the reviews and award, this should be a keep - will you add the info, or shall I have a go? I notice that two of the other red-linked Hairy McLary titles in the Hairy Maclary article won the Picture Book of the Year award too, so should also have articles rather than having their redlinks deleted ... It does look like a lot of the existing articles about Lynley Dodd's books and characters need more references, too. I guess they were created when not many were needed ... RebeccaGreen (talk) 17:59, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * yep, thanks, that would be good, must sleep zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Coolabahapple (talk) 18:04, 30 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment, oh, and this shows the tv series was broadcast nationally and not just sent straight to video/dvd. Coolabahapple (talk) 18:00, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep I've just expanded the article using a reasonably detailed ODT article that deals with Dodd's cats upon which many of her books are based.  Schwede 66  08:58, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Clearly meets WP:NBOOK. Sheldybett (talk) 01:10, 4 August 2019 (UTC)


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