Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Haiti women's national under-23 football team


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. There's near universal agreement that this team doesn't exist (and thus fails WP:V). The only question is whether failing WP:V prohibits creating a redirect, and opinion is pretty much split down the middle on that. WP:V is a bright-line requirement, so I'm going with delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 04:06, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Haiti women's national under-23 football team

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I hesitate to call it a hoax, but there does not appear to be a Haiti Women's U-23 football team. Content appears to be made up (duplicate of other age group and men's equivalent) without evidence. Olympic women's football is not age restricted and is therefore contested by the full senior side, which already has an article. References do not support article in that none of them mention U-23. Club Oranje T 00:12, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
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 * Redirect Unless references are added for U-23, redirect to Haiti women's national football team. Hmlarson (talk) 01:43, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Haiti women's national football team. It's also WP:TOOSOON; no one in Haiti even thought of an U-23 team yet. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 05:43, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Haiti women's national football team. I don't think it's a hoax, but rather a mistake that someone who thought the Olympics team for women is age-restricted, as the men's is - all the references on the page talk about the Hawaii women's Olympic football team. As the women's competition isn't age-restricted and the senior team competes in it, this should be redirected and anything missing in the senior team article merged from it, so as to prevent future innocent mistakes such as this. --SuperJew (talk) 06:20, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete – I don't like the idea of a redirect as this, to me, could imply that such a team does exist, but is without an article. Jellyman (talk) 06:31, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete The redirect implies that the team exists, but there isn't any evidence that it does. Number   5  7  11:07, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete – The only U-23 women's competition I know about was the Nordic Cup in 2007, 2008 & 2009 and Haiti U23 didn't participate. Maiō T. (talk) 15:49, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect - Appreciate that the team does not exist, but think it is better that the lead for the national team clarifies that the senior national team represents the country in the Olympics rather than a straightforward delete which will undoubtedly cause someone to recreate at a later date. Fenix down (talk) 11:03, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone  16:59, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Mainly to decide between 'redirect' and 'delete'.
 * Delete - no evidence of notability. GiantSnowman 20:20, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
 * (Weak) Redirect - seems to me that the redirect !votes above have more rational, but I would not be opposed to a delete if no sources can be found. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 02:39, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect per above. The women's Olympic competition has no age restrictions, so it's likely this team doesn't exist, but it's possible a confused reader might not know that and they should be directed to where they can find the info. Evidently the author was one such person. Smartyllama (talk) 16:44, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J 947(c) (m) 04:49, 20 August 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Per above relist.
 * Delete - no evidence that a Haiti U23 team exists. – PeeJay 17:47, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J 947(c) (m) 19:24, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment to provide more thorough discussion and clearer consensus to decide between delete and redirect, because as nominator, having been proactive on a discussion elsewhere and brought the article here to its proper place for discussion, I had not considered or addressed that option. The subject of this article has never existed, therefore fails WP:V and is unlikely search term in its entirety. We don't have redirects from the 180 odd other countries that have never had a women's u-23 side, nor do we have articles or redirects for country-xxx women's U21 national football team or any of a thousand variations of other teams that never existed. Clarifying my nominating statement I concur with SuperJew that it wasn't likely created as a deliberate hoax, but rather by an over enthusiastic editor who rapidly created a series of Haiti football articles without doing due diligence. I therefore don't see how deleting the article would make it any more likely that someone would recreate it as anyone creating an article is supposed to ensure there are reliable references that show the subject to be notable. Those who circumvent that are just as likely to repurpose a redirect. I agree with Jellyman and Number57 a redirect might imply to some the subject exists but doesn't have an article yet. The suggestion by Fenix Down that the lead for the senior team should mention they contest the Olympics is sensible and has been done, but does not justify the need for a redirect. A search for Haiti women Olympic football should now present the senior women's article and be less likely to imply a different team contests it. For these reasons I suggest it be deleted. Club Oranje T 11:47, 29 August 2017 (UTC)


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