Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Haji Muhammad Salah Mugheri


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. The concerns about verifiability are well founded. JohnCD (talk) 11:42, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Haji Muhammad Salah Mugheri
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Location not notable to warrant a seperate article - maybe this could be merged Kartano (talk) 12:33, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions.  - Eastmain (talk) 19:16, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. All villages are notable. Is there an online atlas of Pakistan that could be used to verify this article? Is the transliteration of the village's name correct? - Eastmain (talk) 19:16, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Should that "keep" be understood as "keep if someone can find sources verifying the existence of the place"? That seems to me the only reasonable interpretation, in view of the two questions which Eastmain has asked. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:34, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Whether all villages are notable or not has been argued repeatedly, with no conclusive consensus. However, even if we do accept that view, what is "a village"? Are two houses together on an empty hillside a village? If not then where do we draw the line? Does this place cross the line (assuming it exists, which is not yet verified)? We need evidence to answer this, even if all villages are notable. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:34, 21 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment. All villages may be notable, but they must still be verifiable for us to have an article. With English being an official language of Pakistan there should be an official spelling of the village name in the Latin alphabet. I've tried searching for a few variations of the name but can't find anything online, so I'd like this to be considered a delete opinion unless anyone offers any reliable source (online or offline) that verifies this village's existence, in which case it's a keep. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:32, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect and merge to Sindh. A google brings up nothing except the wiki article. Airplaneman  talk 21:08, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. Merging would be the worst option. If the existence of this village can't be verified then it shouldn't appear anywhere in Wikipedia, but if it can it should have its own article per the long-standing consensus that verifiable villages can be covered in separate articles. Merging to Sindh would clearly give undue weight in that article to just one of the many thousands of villages in Sindh. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:19, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:15, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Phil Bridger has got it right:if the existence of the place can't be verifiable then there can be no justification for having it anywhere, whether in its own article or merged elsewhere. In fact having information about a place which may not exist in a prominent article (e.g. Sindh) would be worse than having it in an obscure article that few people are likely to ever notice, but neither is acceptable. I have made searches for this place, and, like Phil Bridger and Airplaneman, have failed to find anything at all, under any spelling. If the place exists and is genuinely a village then we might expect to find something somewhere. Unfortunately the author of the article has edited only on one day and not returned, so it is unlikely that we can get further information from him/her, though we can hope. Under Wikipedia policy the onus is on anyone wishing to keep the article to provide verifiable sources, and so far nobody has managed to do so, even though several of us have tried to do so. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:47, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Comment I found a reference to something with approximately this name at Waterlogging and salinity management in the Sindh Province, Pakistan. Volume I, Supplement I.B. Farmer's perspectives on Warah Branch Canal operations p. 51, listing Muhammad Salah Mugheri as the name of the farmer and Piral Khan Mugheri as the village, with Bukeja as some kind of subdivision.  Edward Vielmetti (talk) 00:44, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, cannot be verified, possibly vanity article. Abductive  (reasoning) 08:38, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.