Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Haji Zakaria bin Muhammad Amin


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  02:55, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Haji Zakaria bin Muhammad Amin

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Non-notable religious figure. Entire article is based on a single source, and a search finds nothing more. (Would have draftified this, but that has been done before already.) Fails WP:GNG / WP:BIO. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:30, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Islam,  and Indonesia. DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:30, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:GNG, single source (which appears to consist in the main of lists of charismatic preachers), nothing else out there: 5 search results. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:50, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Salvio giuliano 10:37, 21 March 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles (talk) 12:58, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: There is substantial coverage in the main source used, and evidence of other mentions on google books, including in reference to his playing of the gambus (a musical instrument). Much of the material on the page is poorly unsubstantiated and undue (the family stuff in particular), but I think there is enough to maintain a stub. It would be worthwhile to see what someone Indonesian might be able to find in historical sources dating to the Dutch period in some of the various scripts that could well be relevant here. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:26, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * For the record: the 'main source used' is still just a single source, and as such not enough to establish notability. Likewise 'other mentions', unless they measure up to sigcov. And notability, which is what's on trial here, is required of stubs just as well. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:12, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Draft: I can't !v Keep because it only has one source. I can't !v Delete because I think there is probably IS RS out there. I this is a good case for Draft; if its not improved with additional sources, it should be deleted.  // Timothy :: talk  11:53, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade Talk to me 12:26, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: It looks like a lot of work has been done on this since the 14 March, when it was initially nominated, and it now has a second published book source. And we now have a newspaper death certificate, which is a source of sorts. Iskandar323 (talk) 17:49, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep. Google books shows other sources talking about him, his music, his son. The second one I added speaks about an Indonesian book profiles him. He seems clearly notable, and I am certain that only translation issues prevent that from being clear to us. WP:NEXIST CT55555 (talk) 16:22, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Other than taking a hajj, I don't see what he did that was unusual for his day. Bearian (talk) 18:49, 13 April 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.