Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hajir Darioush


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The result was   nomination withdrawn Thryduulf (talk) 21:55, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Hajir Darioush

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No indication of notable from reliable sources, none of his films have articles, no refences provided --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 09:53, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Nomination Withdrawn - Could an admin close this AfD please? --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 20:29, 5 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment Contested Prod. Google Scholar gives no results, Google Books returns 2 minor mentions, no Google News hits. --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 09:53, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  —--  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me,  My Contribs ) 09:55, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. There are a few more hits under this transliteration:, and some here: . Phil Bridger (talk) 15:58, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. As winner at a major festival . Phil Bridger (talk) 16:04, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. I would also add that, contrary to the nominator's statement on the article talk page, there is no requirement for an article to have sources in English. An editor offered some Persian sources there but was discouraged from using them by the nominator. There may be some more reliable sources amongst these, but, apart from the BBC source that I have added to the article for verifiability purposes (it's only a passing mention so not notability-conferring), I'm not really in a position to judge which of them may be reliable. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:39, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Response I am going to quote exactly what I said, when the other editor said "The Farsi wiki gives the following reference on his works; مریم آقا شیخ محمد و سعید نوری نشاط ،" گلزار مشاهیر: زندگینامه درگذشتگان مشاهیر"، ۳ خرداد ۱۳۷۸ ،تهران، شابک: ۹ - ۰۴ -۵۶۸۱- ۹6۴.":
 * Unfortunately, I cannot read that text... could you give the reference in the English language? I am not in a position to know Hajir Darioush's contribution in the field of Iranian Cinema - however, I do know that although I looked, I could not find reliably-sourced English-language citations. As this is the English wikipedia, we really need English-language (or verifiably translated) sources of information. If these can be provided, I am quite happy to see if this article can be expanded. I did look, but was unable to find any reliable ones - apart from the two films on IMDB. Any help you could give would be appreciated.


 * I only asked what the Farsi said, as I can't read it, and said that we need English language or verifiably translated sources of information.That was over 2 months ago, and nothing was added until you added some sources today, Phil! --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 18:41, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * There is no requirement for sources to be "verifiably translated", in the same way that I wouldn't ask for English-language sources in articles about, say, molecular biology to be paraphrased in terms that I could understand. In fact, posting a translation of the sources here would be a copyright violation. Verifiability does not mean that sources can be understood by everyone. If the article author had been encouraged to add Persian-language sources and given some guidance on formatting references, rather than discouraged from doing so, then we could have had some sources in this article over 2 months ago. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:08, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You are quite right, Phil. I am withdrawing my nomination for deletion. (I should point out that I don't agree with your example of molecular biology. Although I would not understand the source completely, I would probably understand a lot of it, and could look up individual words!). You are, however, right that sources do not need to be understood by everyone. I was not asking for a translation of the source, merely the reference (i.e. what is the title in English) - obviously I phrased that badly, and will remember that should a similar situation arise in future! --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 20:29, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. Another transliteration: . Phil Bridger (talk) 18:04, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions.  —Phil Bridger (talk) 18:13, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep seems to be enough evidence to indicate notability   DGG ( talk ) 22:39, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
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