Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hakeem Abdul-Shaheed


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  17:10, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Hakeem Abdul-Shaheed

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This is so questionable including for any applicable notability such as WP:CRIME and WP:GNG, it's not surprising my searches found nothing at all aside from this and this (PDF) and that's with searching at News, Books, browsers, Highbeam and Newspapers Archive. SwisterTwister  talk  04:58, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, st170e talk 15:07, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
 * delete fails WP:PERP. LibStar (talk) 16:19, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Note that sources have been provided herein and in the article demonstrating the subject's notability inre #2 of the "For perpetrators" section of WP:PERP. North America1000 19:38, 10 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep Plenty of sources exist to support notability.  As "Midget Molley" see, for example, a long 1989 profile in the Philadelphia Inquirer HIGH-LIVING N.J. 'MIDGET' CROWNED WITH DRUG INDICTMENT   1989  AP/NYTimes article : Raid on Cocaine Ring Results in 16 Arrests  identifies him as the ringleader of the gang.  His release form prison is covered   More coverage after he finds peace in Allah.     He is also Covered in a number of books .  At this point I was persuaded, and stopped searching.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:28, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Sister Twister found, asnd linked above, to an Inquirer article I did not find.   Searches always  vary.  I suspect that more searching would find more articles.  But he appears to have been a notable criminal back  in the day.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:32, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I really am quitting now, but here's a good one, it says that he was a preacher's kid. The press loves that.   DRUG 'KING' DETHRONED JUDGE CROWNS HIM WITH 19 YEARS IN JAIL  Philadelphia Daily News, 23 January 1990.  These are far from routine crime stories, they are filled with personal bio details and this one claims: "The February 1989 bust that crushed Shaheed's empire - described by Atlantic City authorities as their largest ever - snagged the king and 20 of his underlings."  'nuff said.  E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:37, 24 May 2016 (UTC)



 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Possibly Keep – I'm unable to access the Proquest links posted by, but from those I'm able to access and from the analysis presented above, the subject appears to meet WP:BASIC and WP:PERP, the latter of which per that historical significance comes across as having been demonstrated by sustained coverage in reliable secondary sources which persists beyond contemporaneous news coverage, devoting significant attention to the individual's role. North America1000 03:16, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 02:03, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Not sure per WP:BLPCRIME - there is far too much unsourced content for an article on someone who's notability is for something extremely negative - I would have closed the AfD as "delete" but it would look too much like a supervote, so I'll park this here. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  17:34, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment – A matter, though, is that WP:BLPCRIME warns against "including material in any article suggesting that the person has committed, or is accused of committing, a crime unless a conviction is secured" for subjects who are not public figures. However, the subject was convicted and sentenced to over 19 years in prison (see this source from the Philadelphia Media Network for verification). As such, WP:BLPCRIME does not apply to this subject. North America1000 17:52, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay, I probably meant more straight notability rather than BLPCRIME specifically. It is perfectly possible to be convicted of a major crime and receive a large sentence, while still not receiving coverage beyond basic news press. If the crime was notorious enough to be all over the national press like a rash (eg: Fred West, Harold Shipman), then I think the article would be obviously kept. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  17:57, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, notice that the sources provided above by also cover his release and a settlement he received at the time of his release (Press of Atlantic City), and further information about the subject's life after incarceration (NJ.com''). The subject also has an extensive biography published at Biography.com, which is provided by A&E Networks. The subject was also featured in an episode of American Gangster (see this link).  North America1000 18:06, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

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 * Keep – After further investigation, I have struck my "possible keep" !vote above, and am !voting for a "full" keep. The subject meets WP:BASIC and WP:PERP, the latter of which per that historical significance has been demonstrated by sustained coverage in reliable secondary sources which persists beyond contemporaneous news coverage, devoting significant attention to the individual's role. A source summary is presented below. North America1000 18:22, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * American Gangster. Season 3, Episode 3. BET. 60 minutes.
 * "Midget Molley Biography". Biography.com. A&E Networks.
 * There are also three Proquest articles linked above by, which I am unable to access.
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 * There are also three Proquest articles linked above by, which I am unable to access.
 * There are also three Proquest articles linked above by, which I am unable to access.
 * There are also three Proquest articles linked above by, which I am unable to access.
 * There are also three Proquest articles linked above by, which I am unable to access.
 * There are also three Proquest articles linked above by, which I am unable to access.
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 * That looks pretty good actually, especially the biography.com article. I don't know much about that site though, how reliable is it? Anyway, I'll have a look at the sources and see what I can come up with. I will say that if this does get improved to a keepable state, large swathes of it will have been rewritten from scratch. Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  18:28, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I have copy edited and added citations to the article; it is actually already very factual at this time. North America1000 18:54, 10 June 2016 (UTC)


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