Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hal Turner


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was speedy keep, see discussion. Ashibaka (tock) 03:05, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Hal Turner

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Non-notable person. No stories or reports concerning Mr. Turner in mainstream news. All other google hits are from racist organizations, his webpage, and the blogosphere Ramsquire (throw me a line) 18:17, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - seems very notable at the moment because of his feud with several notable web communities, but I'm not really sure whether that warrants inclusion. Jayden54 18:34, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - he's notable for his involvement in the death of a federal judge's family. Ulairix 18:43, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Question Are you sure about that? I know he got into a fight with an ex- city councilman, but I've never heard about the charge you make.  Please provide some info on that, if you can. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 18:48, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The article does talk about his opinion of Joan Lefkow and how he was interviewed after her husband and mother were murdered (see also Matt Hale). The Lefkow murders were definitively traced to a different matter. --Dhartung | Talk 21:40, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. UPI, The Nation, and MSNBC are certainly mainstream. Calling the ADL and SPLC "racist orgainzations" is a bit much. The article is well-sourced and reasonably NPOV. The subject is notable due to his coverage in the press and his activities. -Will Beback · † · 19:35, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Clarification I never intimated nor meant to imply that the ADL and SPLC were racist organizations. However, they are not mainstream news organizations.  I have clarified and fixed my nomination reason to reflect this change.  Also, the MSNBC link isn't about Mr. Turner but about the killing of Amy Lefkow and the white power movement.  The Nation article is about Sean Hannity's coddling of racists.
 * Keep. This is an incredibly useful article. I first found it because someone posted a Hal Turner article in another forum, and I needed to verify the source. So whether or not Turner appears in the regular news feed, his articles do turn up, and Wikipedia is a good way to clarify who he is. Jstohler 19:46, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I've noticed the same thing with a lot of deleted articles. It seems some people want Wikipedia to be less useful in favor of it being more like Britannica.
 * FTR- I listed this because of an ongoing discussion on the talk page of the article. Some felt that Wikipedia was racist for having this article.  Other's disagreed.  Personally, I am on the fence, but since it was an issue, I figured I'd let the community at large decide. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 21:22, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment 138.000 ghits not notable ? Alf photoman 20:42, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable person.Umlautbob 21:04, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, notable as demonstrated by Will Beback. hateless 21:27, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, notability demonstrated. The article is reasonably well sourced, but a bit of a mess. --Dhartung | Talk 21:38, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, notability demonstrated by Will Beback, I think we need to wait out this internet-feud thing and try to clear up that section afterwards when things are clearer. --Lor 21:45, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per Will Beback. Turner has attracted attention from a variety of sources, far as I can tell. Edward Wakelin 22:36, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep because the Anti-Defamation League and SPLC thought he was important enough to write about, and they are eminently notable sources regarding which of these paleo-nazis are worthy of people knowing about. Tarinth 22:48, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I would like to de-list this AfD nomination under WP:SNOW. Thanks for all comments. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 23:03, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Hal is the comeback kid. He got knocked down a 2 years ago and now here is back. He will be back.
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.