Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Haldia Development Authority


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. There are some suggestions to redirect, but also some arguments against. So, I'm not going to include the redirect in the consensus close, but if anybody wants to redirect it on their own, per WP:BOLD, go for it. -- RoySmith (talk) 12:49, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Haldia Development Authority

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There's not enough material for an article: just routine bueaucratic postings and a list of projects.  DGG ( talk ) 18:35, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 19:11, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Government-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 19:11, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions.  D Big X ray ᗙ  20:56, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Hi DGG, I am not surprised by the nomination. But please note that this is one of Category:State urban development authorities of India With the State Chief Secretary as its chairman (which implies it is highly empowered and has a notable mandate). Source The local language is Bengali so the WP:SIGCOV that we are looking for will mostly be found in Bengali. I would not claim that this Government company will pass WP:NORG with flying colours but it has enough to merit an article here. regards. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  20:54, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 04:03, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment I did examine the other similar article before making this nomination. To some extent nomination this is at test case, selected   because it had particularly scanty content, and most of it was about future planning which may fall under CRYSTAL . I am certainly willingto accept your statemtn that it might be notable in the future, so perhaps the solutions is to draftify if you think there will besufficient additional material afteranother 6 months.  DGG ( talk ) 05:58, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. An interesting test case. But bottom line: regional government office - has no inherent notability, fails WP:ORG, and no independent references make it fail WP:N. We may have many similar articles, yes. And we should purge all of them. WP:NOTYELLOWPAGES. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:53, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per Piotrus and DGG. Not notable. Even the one person who has voted to Keep, DBigXray, says "I would not claim that this Government company will pass WP:NORG with flying colours". Well, it seems unanimous that this article would not pass the notability criteria for organizations "with flying colours", then, at the very least. I would say that it actually fails those notability criteria and thus merits deletion, however, unlike DBigXRay who thinks maybe it can barely squeak by and somehow pass them. Also, having an important person as the chairman does not make an organization notable, many important people are listed as chairmen for a whole bunch of organizations including non-notable ones: no inherited notability is one of Wikipedia's policies for organizations. Yetisyny (talk) 16:28, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * UPDATE: It is also fine with me if you Redirect and Merge to the Haldia article, like Winged Blades of Godric said he might do down near the bottom, since even if this is not notable enough for its own article, if relevant info about this is put in part of the Haldia article, people would find a redirect that links to that section of the Haldia article useful if looking up info on the Haldia Development Authority. (To readers: Note that the below reply by DBigXray is a response to the first part of my vote, prior to me adding this update, you can also look at the timestamps, I am leaving my original message unaltered so people can see what was said.) Yetisyny (talk) 23:40, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I must remind you that basing your !vote simply on others comments and attacking AfD contributors who you disagree with is not the right way to participate here. regards. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  16:55, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Apologies, DBigXray, if you took anything I said as an insult, I was simply quoting what you said and trying to take your opinion into account in a respectful way. If it did not come across as respectful I sincerely apologize, I hold others here with the greatest respect including you, and I always try to be civil and assume good faith. I did not mean any offense by anything I said, I was simply trying to take your views and everyone else’s views all into account while also stating my own. You do raise a good point regarding not voting solely based on the comments of others, that WOULD be the wrong thing to do. However, I did indeed look at the WP:NORG criteria and my opinion is one that I arrived at based on a combination of looking at Wikipedia policies regarding the notability of organizations, examining how they apply to this case, and yes, the votes of others did play a PART in my thinking, but I also took what you said into consideration as well and tried to weigh the arguments pro and con and gauge which argument was the better one that more suited the criteria of WP:NORG. But I do take your critique to heart regarding the possibility that I may not be participating here in the right way, you may indeed be correct, I will endeavor to improve myself. Thank you for the advice. I myself try to encourage others to be more civil to each other and assume good faith and avoid any insults, if you look at some of my participation in other discussions where people were less than civil towards each other.
 * My initial reason for getting involved in these discussions was, these discussions started happening for articles I was involved in editing, and I wanted to learn more about the process and understand it better since I did not understand the concept of notability that well, and felt that only by actively participating in these discussions and having a back-and-forth with interlocutors such as yourself with different points of view would I learn anything. Anyway, thank you for your constructive criticism and I apologize for any offense I accidentally caused by my choice of words, everything I said I meant in the most respectful way possible and I did not intend for it to sound disrespectful or insulting towards you in any way. I do not think that what I wrote sounds insulting, and I certainly did not use any words that I would consider insults, but I suppose phrases and sentences can be interpreted multiple ways. I view you and others who participate in these discussions, whether I agree or disagree with you, as fellow good-faith contributors, and I do not have any higher view of people I agree with or any lower view of people I disagree with. I hope that you understand this. Thank you, every one of these interactions helps educate me more about this process, and I am trying to learn all that I can. Perhaps I should not be voting but only commenting? However, I want to do my part to help make Wikipedia a better place, and I think that when I look at the rules of Wikipedia and try to apply them fairly and work towards consensus in a constructive way, I think I am helping. Maybe I do not always succeed at those goals but I am doing my best. I am sure you are doing your best too, I am sure everyone here is doing their best. Anyway you are mistaken if you think I dislike you, I like everyone here including you. Yetisyny (talk) 00:48, 8 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment In continuation of my above Keep Vote.
 * This government Body had caused a major notable event Nandigram violence "On January 2, 2007, the Haldia Development Authority issued a preliminary notice that it wanted to acquire 14,500 acres over 27 mouzas. On January 3, more than 1,000 people gathered to protest. The government took no heed and went ahead with its plans."
 * Haldia Development Authority houses some of the state's leading industrial projects
 * This government body also acts as a municipality in the area.
 * ''The attacks come days after Trinamool Midnapore state minister Subhendu Adhikari declared that panchayats under Haldia Development Authority, in which opposition parties draw a blank in the polls, would be given preferential treatment.
 * The six vessels are MV Banabibi, MV Hazarduari, MV Pathar Panchali, MV Motijheel, MV Jalasrashtra and MV Bhorsagar, and will be operated by North Barrackpore Municipality, Behrampore Municipality, Haldia Development Authority, Haldia Municipality, Rishra Municipality and Naihati Municipality, respectively.
 * the West Bengal State Chief Secretary is its chairman (which implies it is highly empowered and has a notable mandate). Source
 * The Municipalities of India are a victim of WP:BIAS related to Internet. It is so bad that Category:Municipalities lacks India in spite of the population and size. And we can clearly see the reason why.


 * -- D Big X ray ᗙ  16:55, 3 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment While I agree regarding WP:BIAS being a real problem, Wikipedia does not have articles for local development authorities where I live in the United States, either. There is just an article for the city I live on the outskirts of and the county I live in, that is all. A municipality is different from a government agency. A municipality is actually a place people live such as a town, city, county, state, province, or nation, whereas, wherever you live, there are typically a whole bunch of different government agencies in charge of different things which have various different authorities. And while all municipalities are notable, not all government agencies are notable, for instance my town has a Department of Transportation which is in charge of the roads where I live, but it does not have a Wikipedia article, nor should it, in fact no local government agencies at all where I live have Wikipedia articles. The only government agencies with jurisdiction where I live that have Wikipedia articles are at the state and federal level, not the local level.
 * Regarding Category:Municipalities, that category only has subcategories for 43 countries, in a world with over 190 countries, so that is not specific to India. Other countries besides India that are not on that list include Australia, Austria, China, Colombia, the Czech Republic, Egypt, Hungary, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Ireland, Israel, Japan, Kenya, Malaysia, Nigeria, New Zealand, North Korea, Pakistan, Romania, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Syria, Thailand, the United Kingdom, Vietnam, and countless other important countries, in fact 3/4 of the countries in the world are not on that list. It would require a tremendous amount of effort to list all the municipalities in a country the size of India but you are welcome to create the category and do that if you are willing. The neighboring nation of Nepal DOES have an entry in that category and I sincerely doubt anyone would try to remove it, I for one am glad to have the municipalities of Nepal well-documented and wish that all the over-190 countries of the world had that done for them.
 * My point is, perhaps your case regarding bias here is a little overstated, although I do agree with you that bias is a major problem on Wikipedia, and when I look at the list of countries that DO get categories listing their municipalities, European and North American countries DO predominate and that definitely IS bias. But, the bias applying to this SPECIFIC article? I do not agree with that, given what I have explained regarding local and county government where I live in the United States not having any Wikipedia articles and not being considered notable. This is a local government agency you are talking about. The American county I live in has roughly the same population as the city of Haldia and none of its local government is notable enough for Wikipedia nor will I try to add any articles regarding my local government here. Yetisyny (talk) 02:09, 8 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment requesting a relist due to new evidence I have added today for notability. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  16:55, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect  to Haldia-Whilst many more trivial refs with mere name-mentions like DBigXray's can be added (esp. in Bengali language), it doesn't add to independent notability. &#x222F; WBG converse 12:49, 5 September 2018 (UTC).
 * Why a redirect vs. outright deletion? If you do not think it is notable enough for its own article as a development authority, why do you want it to exist as a redirect to Haldia? The Haldia article would not have any relevant information on the Haldia Development Authority so it seems like leaving a redirect behind would be a bit misleading to users. If someone types in Haldia Development Authority in the search box and gets redirected to the Haldia article and cannot find any information about that development authority anywhere in the article, I think they would feel like they got misled a bit since the article would not have any information at all about the development authority. This is certainly how I feel whenever I try to look something up on Wikipedia and get redirected to some article that completely lacks any information on what I looked up, which is a common occurrence for me on Wikipedia unfortunately. Also if you are typing in “Haldia Development Authority” in the search box, the first word is “Haldia” and if that is the only thing that shows up, you can just stop there and see that no result exists for Haldia Development Authority. If you see a topic listed when you are typing something in in Wikipedia’s search box, and then get redirected to some article that does not have any information at all on that topic, well, you would probably feel misled, this kind of thing happens to me all the time on Wikipedia when I am looking things up and reading them, and is very frustrating. Yetisyny (talk) 01:23, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
 * , thank you for your perspective and i appreciate that.I will be adding a line or two about HDA at Haldia, shortly. &#x222F; WBG converse 10:09, 8 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete. I'm not seeing sufficient WP:RS to meet WP:ORGDEPTH.  Two of the three references in the existing article are to the HDA's own website.  Normally, I'd say a merge or redirect to Haldia would make sense per WP:ATD, but lacking any good references, and with concern about WP:UNDUE, I'd just delete it.
 * On a technical note,, please keep in mind that the user experience you describe (i.e. the behavior when you start typing into a text box) is specific to how the particular client, the one you're using, happens to work. People access wikipedia with a variety of clients on mobile devices.  Even on the web, they use different browsers, different skins, and may well have settings and extensions which affect the details you're describing.  Not to mention how the content gets reused via mirrors, search engines, etc.
 * -- RoySmith (talk) 16:06, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Seems to be a lot to digest - if someone could make some concise points, would be appreciated.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kirbanzo (talk) 01:03, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. I looked at the new refs presented in this afd, there is nothing i can see that offers direct coverage/reviews of this organisation. Szzuk (talk) 08:19, 23 September 2018 (UTC)


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