Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hale Area Schools


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. No consensus to merge as proposed. Daniel (talk) 23:47, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Hale Area Schools

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:35, 3 January 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 08:38, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:GNG, schools by themselves are not notable. Tooncool64 (talk) 06:00, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Tooncool64, true, but this article is not about a school, but rather a school district. — Jacona (talk) 11:33, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Schools,  and Michigan.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  07:14, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - as Jacona noted, this is a school district, not a school. Although the article does need improvement, standard references that are available from the government via NCES are enough to meet the notability requirements for geographic locations like school districts. 4.37.252.50 (talk) 20:20, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:59, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - per Articles_for_deletion/Common_outcomes, "Populated, legally-recognized places" include school districts, which conveys near-presumptive notability to school districts per Notability (geography). ~Kvng (talk) 18:43, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Merge to Ogemaw_County,_Michiganand or Iosco_County,_Michigan as appropriate. The policy cited by the above vote uses the phrase near-presumptive, so school districts are almost presumed notable. According to WP:N, presumed simply means an article can be created without checking for notability, but if the article is challenged then if must be proven to meet WP:N or be deleted or merged. The article does not meet WP:N.James.folsom (talk) 22:44, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep per @Kvng, and per WP:N (Geography)
 * Cray04 (talk) 05:30, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep - per Kvng. I note James.folsom's point that "near presumptive" is not an absolute guaranty of notability, but this school district contains schools, including a high school, and those schools do not have pages. Where schools are not notable for pages they should redirect to the school district, but if we delete the school district page, that's not possible. So on a practical basis I lean keep here. Except that is not notability. If it were found the high school were notable for its own page, would we then have to delete the district? Well no, because anyone searching sources will find plenty of mentions of this district. Largely these are in national registers and directories (e.g., and you could argue that those are primary sources, but you could argue that of any school district. The district is not notable because it meets GNG with secondary sourcing. It is notable because it meets GEOLAND. This is based on a long established consensus that Wikipedia is not just an encyclopaedia, it is also a gazetteer (WP:GAZ ). As such, the fact that the school district exists and is nationally recognised to exist in multiple directories is enough to meet this notable place criterion. I am not going to paste in all the source links but note the books search, the scholar search and the 4 newspaper mentions . I think this is a clear keep as long as any school district is a keep. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:14, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment My reading of WP:GAZ is is that things still need to meet WP:N, as all geoland article have to meet WP:N. All these policies make clear Wikipedia is not repository of everything. There are standards for articles, what do you think this place is going to look in a thousand years if this loosy goosy interpretation of the policies continues. The county article has notability because because of legal recognition and the school district article could be moved there and the schools could be listed by district within the county article as well. This is actually what makes the most sense. And this should be the case with all the school district articles unless they are wildly notable.James.folsom (talk) 23:17, 10 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep. The nomination provides no rationale for deleting this article, apparently confusing it with something else. In any case, the arguments above by Kvng and Sirfurboy🏄 are sufficient to show that this article meets the appropriate notability standard for a school district. Jacona (talk) 16:28, 10 January 2024 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.