Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hall Lyons


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The result was   no consensus. Spartaz Humbug! 11:57, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Hall Lyons

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Though this has the appearance of a well-crafted article, there is one problem; nothing in this supports WP:BIO notability. Bottom line, this person owned a few oil wells and ran for various political offices but was never elected to any of them. Charlton Lyons and Susybelle Lyons seem to have similar problems. OhNo itsJamie Talk 04:49, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
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 * Comment The problem of the sources listed in the article should be explained, as you say "nothing in this article supports WP:BIO notability." Otherwise the volume of the sources would get him past WP:BASIC whatever he has actually done. Disclosure: I have no idea of the reliability of the sources.--180.172.239.231 (talk) 06:41, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
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 * Weak keep as the verifiability threshold is crossed and it's right at the notability threshold as a figure in the American Independent Party who, like Ross Perot's Reform Party, reshaped American politics without actually winning a lot of elections. What does bother me is that a lot of the sourcing appears to be about other people which is fine for verifiability but does nothing for notability. I'll be surprised if half of these sources can be shown to be about Hall Lyons, even in passing. - Dravecky (talk) 14:21, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Davey 2010 •  (talk)  18:17, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

 
 * Userfy, then merge This biography is an excellent bit of original research, but there are no references actually about Lyons except for his obituary. Perhaps some of the information could be merged into American Independent Party. For example, that article only lists California Gubernatorial candidates, so does not include Lyon. I would give the author (who has done this work single-handedly, it seems) a chance to WP:Userfy the article so that the research done is not lost. If a few more reliable references could be found the article could be trimmed down to only the sourced biographical information about Lyons. But I would mainly encourage the author, who seems knowledgeable about the topic, to work on the AIP article and expand articles on the related elections and districts (creating articles where needed) rather than focusing on a single person. LaMona (talk) 18:07, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 07:35, 8 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Weak keep There are plenty of sources but half of the best ones are to newspaper articles that aren't online so can't be checked to see if he's talked about in much detail. Tiller54 (talk) 18:14, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep There are 32 sources and 29 regular links. It is fully sourced. There would be no way to move this article to American Independent Party, but it is linked to the AIP. Mr. Lyons is largely a pre-Internet subject. Billy Hathorn (talk) 15:38, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
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