Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hallucinogen (musician) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Withdrawn per WP:HEY. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 21:59, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Hallucinogen (musician)
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Last AFD doesn't have me convinced. Most sources dug up were trivial. And either way, no one added them to the article anyway. I fail to see how being in two "notable" bands warrants standalone notability — none of the sources I've found are about HIM proper, just works he's associated with. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 17:43, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep--WP:MUSIC #6--"Is an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles." He clearly meets that, as well as #1 (the sources User:Michig found are not all trivial by any means) and #5 (he's released more than one album on a noted indie record label). If the sources weren't added to the article in the last round, well, nobody's stopping you. AfD is not cleanup, and this clearly meets the music notability standards. Meelar (talk) 20:20, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  — —Tom Morris (talk) 20:23, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I still don't see how being in two bands makes you independently notable. That criterion of WP:BAND is inherently flawed and in direct violation of WP:NOTINHERITED. And I still don't think any of the sources are worth adding — they're all trivial tangential mentions. Show me one that's about HIM PROPER — JUST THE MAN HIMSELF, not one of his bands, and I'll retract. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 01:45, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment--Even if you disagree with criterion number 6 (and a random AfD entry isn't really the place to have that discussion), it's still clear that he's released multiple albums on notable indie record labels, clearly fulfilling #5. Seriously--how is Wikipedia improved by removing this article? Meelar (talk) 19:53, 9 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment - The sputnik source does not adequately  substantiate the claim: ...is considered one of the most influential albums in the genre, and is only  the POV of that  web site. Significant  reliable sources must  be provided in  order for this article to  be kept. The previous AfD, understandably, seems to  have been procedurally  closed as 'kept'  due to  the overwhelming number of 'keep' votes. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:52, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. This was virtually a snow keep last time, with lots of coverage identified, so is this really likely to go anywhere? Try searching for "Simon Posford" (the article is about him) in Google News, e.g., , , , , , .--Michig (talk) 08:39, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets WP:MUSICBIO #6. (Maybe the guideline should be amended in the future, but I tend to !vote "as is" for guidelines) I removed much of the unsourced information and added in some of the sources provided by Michig. The Boulder Weekly piece has a bit of coverage of him as a person. Also, I'd suggest moving this to his real name, that seems to be used by most of the sources. Qrsdogg (talk) 15:30, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - obvious call per WP:MUSICBIO #6 (he's in Shpongle and Younger Brother). Also, the sources from Allmusic and Boulder Weekly (see article) are a slam dunk for WP:N itself.  This isn't even a close call; meritless AfD. --Middle 8 (talk) 02:40, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets WP:MUSICBIO #6 as stated above. Also #2, because the album Twisted reached 27 in the French album chart. Also #7, because the Hallucinogen was prominent in founding the psy-trance genre. APB-CMX (talk) 19:28, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.