Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ham's Station, California


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The result was   merge to California State Route 88. Black Kite (t) (c) 10:13, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Ham's Station, California

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This entry fails WP:N and more specifically WP:CORP. I have been unable to establish notability through non-local coverage. I originally PRODed the page, but an IP editor removed the PROD. Griswaldo (talk) 04:10, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


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 * Delete (Changing to Merge, see below) I'm personally familiar with Ham's Station, and it is a well-known landmark in the area, but the notability is not there outside of the immediate area. Google News hits are limited to super-local papers like the Lodi News-Sentinal and the Amador Ledger-Dispatch. As noted in the article it is used as a landmark by the California Highway Patrol, to describe the extent of road closures etc.. I had hoped to find some references in history books, but aside from this and this I couldn't find a thing. Too bad; I would have expected it to have some notability because of its age.--MelanieN (talk) 05:31, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. If one searches by, without the apostrophe, there are a lot of results.  Abductive  (reasoning) 11:29, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for figuring that out. Some of those hits are to other Hams Stations but most are indeed to this one.  However, they appear to all be incidental.  Hams station appears to be used with limited regularity as a marker on the Highway. I have yet to see any independent coverage of Hams Station itself.Griswaldo (talk) 11:56, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Sadly true. Actually those are pretty much the same hits I found searching with the apostrophe (but without the word "California"). The most information I found anywhere was this single paragraph. Most of the hits are simply using it as a kind of mile marker, "13 miles west of Ham's Station" kind of thing. It shows how long the facility has been there, and how aware of it everyone is, but unfortunately it doesn't amount to "significant coverage". That surprises me but it seems to be true. I'd love to find an excuse to keep this historic inn but I just can't find the justification per WP:GNG. --MelanieN (talk) 14:50, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


 *  Delete , weakly. Merge with the highway, as below.  Cooks Station should probably receive the same treatment.   If this were a celebrated local landmark with some kind of cultural significance for the area I might change my mind.  But the chief significance of the business would appear to be to mark a location on an otherwise barren stretch of highway.  It really wouldn't matter in that case what they made or sold. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 14:41, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment This seems to be a borderline case, and a somewhat unusual one too. Ham's Station does appear to be locally notable based on how many times it is used to indicate a location on State Route 88, it's been around at least since 1879, and it's mentioned in Amador County's official history pages (or was, before they were all removed from their website). On the other hand, there doesn't seem to be any GNG-worthy coverage that I can find, unless it's offline; the Amador County website piece was the most info I could find anywhere. So should we presume this to be notable based on the substantial amount of tangential coverage (which isn't entirely unprecedented), or should we consider it non-notable based on the lack of much substantial coverage? I'm not quite sure, and leaning towards delete, though if anyone finds some more substantial coverage it would be helpful. (As another possibility, could this be merged into either California State Route 88 or Amador County, California?) TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 23:01, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It could be merged into either or both California State Route 88 or Pioneer, California. Better than losing the information entirely. --MelanieN (talk) 03:33, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Merging it into California State Route 88 seems like the best option to me, since the inn doesn't seem to be all that close to Pioneer. It's mostly significant as a mile marker and waypoint on CA 88 anyhow, so that's probably where it belongs. As you said, it's better than deleting the content, but I can't justify giving it its own article anyway. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 03:47, 7 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge per TheCatalyst. I already added a little information about it to California State Route 88. I also added some information about Cooks Station, which may need to be considered for deletion also. Like Ham's Station, Cooks Station is very old but seems to be notable only as a kind of highway mile marker. --MelanieN (talk) 18:38, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
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