Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hamburg-Eimsbütteler Ballspiel-Club


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Eddie891 Talk Work 11:59, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Hamburg-Eimsbütteler Ballspiel-Club

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Has been tagged for months for improvement without any. Currently there is not a single decent source from an independent, reliable, secondary reference. Was draftified, and returned to mainspace, again without improvement. Searches did not turn up enough in-depth coverage to meet WP:GNG.  Onel 5969  TT me 10:46, 22 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep. English football clubs are considered notable if they played in the FA Cup (see Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Notability.) Hamburg-Eimsbütteler Ballspiel-Club played in the  DFB-Pokal in 1953. (The DFB-Pokal is German equivalent of the FA Cup). The sourcing is an area where the article could be improved - but there are two citations to German newspaper articles  and a citation to a German football archive, so the position is not as bad as the nominator thinks.  The good days for this football club were in the pre-internet era.  Good sources are likely to be old German-language year-books and newspaper articles. There is no possible reason for thinking that these do not exist. -- Toddy1 (talk) 12:27, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - The team competed in the 1935 Tschammerpokal. The rules at WikiProject Football/Notability state "England: Clubs that play or have played at step 6 of the National League System (level 10 of the English football league system), or in the FA Cup, FA Trophy, FA Amateur Cup or FA Vase generally meet WP:GNG criteria." The same rules apply to Germany and other countries with Fully professional Leagues. Other references are being added currently. KatoKungLee (talk) 13:24, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment - Neither of the above votes are based on policy. Recent discussions regarding sports related SNGs clearly indicate that GNG must be met.  And currently this one does not. Onel 5969  TT me 14:27, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed - there is AFD consensus that has deleted/redirected early FA Cup clubs. GiantSnowman 09:54, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment - Please see the updated references. I added around 10-15 links. There's about 15 more than can be added if needed here - https://www.eimsbuetteler-nachrichten.de/tag/hebc/ and there's another 12 that could be added from here - https://www.mopo.de/?s=HEBC. KatoKungLee (talk) 15:49, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Football and Germany.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 22:24, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 23:05, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep Easily passes GNG with multiple sources added for this historic German club. Can I ask why you feel the need to state in your nomination "Has been tagged for months for improvement without any." The article has only been around since January, I see no messages on the creators page, or the talk page for the article. When we talk about creating wikipedia as a group project of multiple uses, to me from my point of view, that seems the opposite here. Communication is key to creating a good article, but your lack of, does concern me. I see none of that surrounding the creation of this article at AfD. Govvy (talk) 13:24, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, have had multiple conversations with this editor regarding their poorly referenced and non-notable articles. His personal attacks have made further interaction kept to a minimum.  I said "Has been tagged for months for improvement without any", because it's been tagged for months without improvement.  There are no messages on the editors talk page because they have deleted multiple communications, including when this article was draftified.  But thank you for the AGF. Would have been nice if they had done this work on the article before being forced to by this AfD. Onel 5969  TT me 13:29, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * It sometimes takes people time to realise the need to do some thing - but he/she is learning - for example. -- Toddy1 (talk) 13:37, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - Per above. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 19:39, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - enough coverage. GiantSnowman 09:55, 25 March 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.