Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hammerax (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Andrew Base (talk) 04:30, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Hammerax
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I know this article recently survived AfD (nominated for being too promotional) but there were only 3 !voters who responded and said that being overly promotional was a job for cleanup. I'm nominating it again for a lack of references that meet the criteria for establishing notability. There are 6 refs in the article, 2 of which are from the website, 2 are sales pitches for their cymbals, one is a blog and one is a mention-in-passing. My WP:BEFORE turns up a lot of references but they're either discussing the product, rely on information provided by the company/CEO/partner or are mentions-in-passing - I've yet to find a source that providings significant coverage and in-depth information on the company.  HighKing++ 12:26, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 12:42, 16 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep AfD closed exactly three days ago. Refer to WP:DELAFD WP:DISRUPTIVE renomination. Once notable always notable WP:NTEMP WP:PRESERVE WP:ATD WP:NOTCLEANUP Passes WP:PRODUCT Music Gear review prodcut Mentioned in Drum Magazine Drum Product Review Lightburst (talk) 21:11, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Pinging the previous participants and XfD closer.


 * Keep No reason for a do-over.  Reasons cited in last nomination are sufficient.  WP:Preserve No compliance with WP:Before, which mandates that we are supposed to act on what the article could become, not what it was when nominated.  Indeed, the cited sources NOW are ample to demonstrate WP:GNG.  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 00:12, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep This article needs some edition, not to be deleted.- Fma12 (talk) 19:55, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Not surprising, the always !vote to Keep editors from the Rescue Squad continue to !vote as a group without even trying to address the concerns expressed in the nomination. I'm scratching my head over how WP:PRODUCT is supposed to help establish the notability of organizations - it is only to address whether an article about an organization should include information on that organization's products. I'd go so far as to say that these editors (the Rescue Squaddies) are emerging as extremely disruptive editors in the AfD process. Just as with any article at AfD, the issue can be quickly resolved by linking to (any) references that you believe meet the criteria for establishing notability. Where are the references?  HighKing++ 19:59, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * It is a business that makes products.
 * The rest of your post is mere Argumentum ad hominen. I will not dignify it further.  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 00:56, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Links to references to establish notability please.  HighKing</b>++ 12:46, 19 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep Notability marginally established by and  and taken over the top by recent keep result. Because of the uncivil environment, I will not be watchlisting this page and will not be responding to any comments about my !vote here. ~Kvng (talk) 14:05, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Thanks for providing links. The topic is the company not any of their products so what we require is significant coverage with in-depth information on the company and containing independent content. Your first link to Drummer Cafe contains nothing at all about the company itself and entire article is based on a video posted by the company and includes a comment from the company president. It is churnalism. It fails all of the criteria for establishing notability. Your second link to Music Radar is a review of one of the company's products and contains nothing about the company itself, failing SIGCOV and CORPDEPTH. <b style="font-family: Courier; color: darkgreen;"> HighKing</b>++ 16:13, 22 November 2019 (UTC)


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