Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hampshire Mall


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep. Addhoc (talk) 01:56, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Hampshire Mall

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Another non-notable mall in Massachusetts, falls way short of generally accepted size criteria for malls. A search for reliable sources found only trivial mentions (e.g. news-y blurbs on minor events there). Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 04:01, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Malls-related deletions.   --  Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 04:01, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. STORMTRACKER   94  13:18, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep What makes a notable mall? It's one of two major malls in its area. AND there are references.  - Denimadept (talk) 13:42, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't see any references, just external links to the official mall website and to Pyramid's website. Those don't count. Also, being one of two major malls in an area isn't enough -- it has to be the subject of several reliable third-party sources, which doesn't seem to be the case here. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 14:50, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess I'm missing something. The project is shopping centers and malls.  This is a mall.  What kind of references do you expect for this?  The only definite refs are going to be from the corporation that owns and/or runs it. - Denimadept (talk) 15:38, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Many malls are the subject of several reliable sources; see Genesee Valley Center as an example. Local newspapers are a good place to start -- note that Genesee Valley Center has two cites from The Flint Journal. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 16:14, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment is canvassing for votes at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Shopping Centers.  Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 16:14, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * plz clarify - Do you mean to say that you believe informing the relevent wikiproject of a relevent AfD to be canvasing? I can point to several wikiprojects that have specific locations that editors are urged to list AfDs that are pertinent to each. Is that to say each poster to these projects, listing an AfD, is canvassing? Please, assume good faith when you apply this term to editors that have only really been posting for 6months and are not as skilled as yourself. Exit2DOS2000   •T•C•  20:50, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep and improve - Lack of information is no reason to delete an article. Attempts should be made to improve it. bob rulz (talk) 16:42, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It seems that you are missing the point. Upon looking at the article, I noticed that it was a stub, and decided to set out expanding it. But I hit a dead-end since I couldn't find any reliable sources. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 17:36, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * And it's impossible that anyone else might succeed where you failed. I see. - Denimadept (talk) 17:41, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I didn't say that it was impossible; on the contrary, it is possible that someone could step in and find reliable sources where I've failed (see WP:HEY). Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 18:16, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Your actions speak louder than your words. By moving for deletion, you're saying that this article can not be improved, you are unwilling to let anyone try, and that consensus is likely to be for deletion, or you wouldn't have bothered to make that effort.  If that's not what you meant to say, you should consider not making AfD proposals so quickly in future.  For this and whatever other articles on which you've already made that suggestion, it's too late.  You can vote "keep", but you can't retroactively remove the AfD motion, as I understand it.  - Denimadept (talk) 18:29, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep This mall is quite notable. I have improved the article by cleaning it up a bit and providing some sources. Here are a few references (there were more):
 * Year brings unusual pause in Route 9 growth BY SCOTT MERZBACH STAFF WRITER Daily Hamshire Gazette
 * Scott Merzbach (2006, August 17). New stores on line at Hadley mall. Daily Hampshire Gazette,p. B1.
 * NONTRADITIONAL MALL OFFERS ENJOYABLE ALTERNATIVE, The Boston Globe, August 11, 2005, Thursday, 126 words
 * CAMERA; Young Photographers Get a Crash Course The New York Times, May 3, 1992, Sunday, Late Edition - Final, Section 9; Page 21; Column 1; Styles of The Times, 654 words, By John Durniak
 * Man charged with trespassing in hospital's infant unit The Associated Press State & Local Wire, February 6, 2006 Monday 11:12 PM GMT, STATE AND REGIONAL, 225 words
 * Developer Karp to sell 14 malls; Giant Simon Property to buy big portion of portfolio for $1.725b The Boston Globe, February 26, 1999, Friday, ECONOMY; Pg. E1, 1294 words, By Chris Reidy, Globe Staff
 * A MAN FOR ALL SEASONINGS; 3 RESTAURANTS, CHOICES APLENTY: BUSINESSMAN THRIVES IN EAST MILTON The Boston Globe, December 08, 2005 Thursday, GLOBE SOUTH; Pg. 1, 1121 words, BY SANDY COLEMAN, GLOBE STAFF
 * Sunday Shopping Gets Mixed Reviews The Associated Press, March 28, 1983, Monday, PM cycle, Business News, 534 words, BY FRED BAYLES, Associated Press Writer
 * Authorities dismiss threat of mall bomb The Associated Press State & Local Wire, State and Regional, 152 words Sprew (talk) 20:45, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for helping! The article needs a copyedit still, but the sources provided are good enough for me. Access to print articles can be useful at times. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 23:44, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I have also rewritten parts of the article that were grammatically incorrect. Sprew (talk) 00:37, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep - the 'search for reliable sources found only trivial mentions' seems to have been disprooven. Exit2DOS2000   •T•C•  20:53, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.