Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hamza Andreas Tzortzis


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:32, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Hamza Andreas Tzortzis

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An AfD-request was asked for on his talk-page. The reasons are, that is no proof whatsoever for this person's notability and that this guy is without any relevance in public life or science. Furthermore, the article relies heavily on his personal websites (like ), thus violating the WP:SELFPUB-rules. Also, it has only one link to another wikipedia-article, what made me place the WP:O-tag above it. On the other hand his name gives a lot of hits on internet (though mainly though his own websites and some films on youtube) and he debated several notable people, like Rick Lewis and Simon Blackburn. Moreover, there is an OTRS verification for the copyright release of the SPSource of the talkpage. Not much in search results that is independent, but there is stuff in the search results like http://richarddawkins.net/videos/549391-debate-islam-or-atheism-with-hamza-andreas-tzortzis-the-president-of-american-atheists - he's written a book or two, its a judgment call - the question is if he is over WP:GNG.Jeff5102 (talk) 20:33, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. There is this article in The Daily Telegraph, but I don't think that it's enough as a basis for a neutral article about a living person. Phil Bridger (talk) 11:28, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Proselytising at universities is hardly enough to make him notable enough to have a Wiki page Tiller54 (talk) 15:14, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 13:12, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 13:12, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger One ping only 05:13, 1 November 2011 (UTC)



Arguing with people, self-promotion, and appearing on Youtube without any original thoughts, achievements, or discoveries hardly qualifies for notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.179.34.100 (talk) on the talk-page, 06:34, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Can't find any sufficient material to meet WP:PEOPLE or WP:GNG. Only one major news article found. HurricaneFan25  &#124;  talk  16:43, 3 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment: I think the page should be retained as Hamza is gaining credibility on the theological/philosophical/political debating circuit, and has engaged in dialogue with many prominent atheists, such as Richard Dawkins, PZ Myers, and more recently, Dr Lars Gule in Norway. In the same manner that these people are famous for being atheist, and are approached to always give that point-of-view, Hamza is the Islamic equivalent (in much the same way as William Lane Craig is for Christianity). In Oct 2011 when iERA was to launch in Canada, the Canadian Parliament discussed preventing Hamza from entering the country on the basis of the views of Islam. Hamza has also authored a research paper concerning Embryology in the Qur'an (soon to be released), and lectures on theism around the world. If credible information on Hamza is required, I'd be happy to provide it — Preceding unsigned comment added by JamShady (talk • contribs) 11:08, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Jam, thank you for your contribution to this discussion, and to the article. However, your edits have only Tzotzis' own website and some youtube-vids as sources. These sources do not meet the standards as described in WP:SOURCES. Please find some 'reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy' to support your claims.
 * Furthermore, you argue that Tzortzis "has engaged in dialogue with many prominent atheists, such as Richard Dawkins and PZ Myers." Unfortunately, I only found this youtube-video in which Tzortzis is talking in the street to Myers, and is asking a question to Dawkins at a convention.
 * That is hardly notable. If I am missing something, please correct me. But so far, I am not yet convinced that Tzortzis' article should be on Wikipedia.Jeff5102 (talk) 21:03, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.