Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Haneef Adeni


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to The Great Father. While the consensus is split, it is split between delete and redirect. Only one of the delete arguments speaks of not redirecting, while the other two mention that he might be known (not notable) for the film. (non-admin closure)  Onel 5969  TT me 13:26, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Haneef Adeni

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Directing one movie is not enough to establish any notability. All the sources provided just mention the person's name while talking about the movie. Notability is not inherited and also fails WP:GNG.  Jupitus Smart  18:48, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.   CAPTAIN RAJU  (✉)   19:18, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  CAPTAIN RAJU  (✉)   17:23, 16 May 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh (talk) 22:01, 24 May 2017 (UTC) Strong Keep - actually, directing one notable movie is grounds for notability per WP:CREATIVE, and however bad it may be, "The Great Father" is a notable movie with reviews in the Times of India, The Indian Express, etc. WP:NOTINHERITED has nothing to do with it. Newimpartial (talk) 22:17, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Previous discussion including Articles for deletion/Omar Lulu have reached the consensus that directing one movie, is not enough to satisfy WP:DIRECTOR. Movies getting reviews in notable publication does not imply that the director is notable in his own regard, and therefore WP:NOTINHERITED is applicable. There is anyway no indepth coverage of the person for WP:GNG, and the only thing mentioned in the article apart from the fact that he has directed the said movie is that he was born in Thrissur, which incidentally is unreferenced. At best the article can be redirected to the only movie he has directed as a case of WP:TOOSOON.  Jupitus Smart  04:51, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * That is a misreading of WP:DIRECTOR, which clearly states (in bullet 3) that one well-known work automatically makes its creator WP:Notable, where secondary literature exists for the work. WP:NOTINHERITED does not apply from a work to its creator, only from creators to their works. As far as Articles for deletion/Omar Lulu, that doesn't trump WP:DIRECTOR Newimpartial (talk) 05:05, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Well if you believe run of the mill coverage is enough to pass WP:GNG, then I cannot help it. WP:NOTINHERITED applies because all the references mentioned are about the movie, and not about the director. Creator is a relative term and the movie is not the exclusive work of the said person, but of a collective of artists. All the coverage for the movie stems from the fact that the movie had an impressive star cast, and not because the said person directed it, and that is the reason why WP:NOTINHERITED is applicable. A myopic reading of WP:DIRECTOR without looking at the larger perspective of whether the individual himself is independently notable and satisfied WP:GNG, was not done in Articles for deletion/Omar Lulu and that is why I mentioned it.  Jupitus Smart  06:02, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Are you suggesting that the director has not "created or played a major role in co-creating" the film? Because that is what WP:CREATIVE requires, nothing more, and no personal notability is required outside of the work. Newimpartial (talk) 06:11, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Harping the same point again and again does not add anything to the discussion. At the very beginning of the page where WP:CREATIVE appears,the Basic Criteria for notability, including indepth coverage and the like, are mentioned as compulsory requirements. It is also mentioned that meeting one or more criteria does not guarantee that a subject should be included. I would rather disengage from such a meaningless conversation, if you cannot understand that.  Jupitus Smart  06:24, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I think you are mistaken about the structure of that page. WP:BASIC notability ensures that the subject is notable (except for certain exclusions). The specific criteria, such as WP:CREATIVE, do not guarantee but allow notability even if WP:BASIC is not met. Newimpartial (talk) 06:43, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I am not going to reiterate anything and am disengaging per my word. Have a good day.  Jupitus Smart  06:50, 28 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete name is best presented in the film's page, not as a stand alone article, yet. Legacypac (talk) 06:13, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect known only for the film so redirect to The Great Father. --Skr15081997 (talk) 13:32, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. Literally the only information (other than birthplace) in this so-called biography is that this guy directed one film. --Calton | Talk 02:25, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
 * delete WP:BIO1E. no need for redirect. Coverage is scanty. Dlohcierekim (talk) 18:24, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect as above, to the one single thing he is known for. Exemplo347 (talk) 19:52, 2 June 2017 (UTC)


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