Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hangovers & Hot Flashes


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to Kim Gruenenfelder. I see support for this AtD, and no other consensus was likely to appear. Owen&times; &#9742;  23:05, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Hangovers & Hot Flashes

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Doesn't meet WP:NBOOK. I have checked for reviews on Kirkus, Publishers Weekly, and Booklist, as well as a general Google search, but couldn't find additional RSes. 4/6 of the sources on the page mention the book. However, none establish notability: Chick Lit Central (#1) doesn't provide SIGCOV, and Daily Bruin (#4), The Other 50% (#5), and Kim Gruenfelder (#6) are primary. Gruenfelder's website only mentions one "review", which is from another author, not a news source. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 21:17, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 21:18, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep As a stub article, I strongly agree that there needs to be more sourcing on this book. Gruenenfelder's website does feature simply a quote from another author, but this is common for published works and not a reflection of reviews. Five of Gruenenfelder's books easily establish notability, but I will also concede that this sixth one is a bit more difficult in terms of sourcers from Kirkus and the like: my chief goal is to represent a work of literature about an older demographic of women, which is often excluded from the books that receive coverage. Happy to continue work on improving it, and would be open to Moving to Draftspace in this spirit, though I believe that removing it entirely would be a mistake. PickleG13 (talk) 06:21, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, PickleG13! I absolutely agree that we need more literature that represents older women. However, Wikipedia is not the place to right great wrongs. If you can find sources that establish the notability of this book, please share them here or add them to the article page. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 01:03, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting, it looks like the most promising options are a Draftify/Redirect or just a straight Redirect. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:35, 13 January 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 21:51, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Kim Gruenenfelder (with the history preserved under the redirect) per Deletion policy. The page was a redirect to Kim Gruenenfelder before being converted to an article on 6 January 2024. I am also fine with a move to draftspace but would like to have the redirect to Kim Gruenenfelder restored if that happens. I did a detailed search for sources and could not find reviews or significant coverage other than this article in the University of California, Los Angeles student newspaper Daily Bruin. Reliable sources/Perennial sources says: "Reputable student media outlets, such as The Harvard Crimson, are considered generally reliable sources for news on their school and local community. They can sometimes be considered reliable on other topics, although professional sources are typically preferred when available. However, given their local audience and lack of independence from their student body, student media does not contribute to notability for topics related to home institutions." Kim Gruenenfelder is an alumna of the University of California, Los Angeles, so the student newspaper is not entirely independent of her for the purpose of determining notability. A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow editors to selectively merge any content that can be reliably sourced to the target article. A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow the redirect to be undone if significant coverage in reliable sources is found in the future. Cunard (talk) 09:43, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Redirect to Kim Gruenenfelder per Cunard. No objection to the requested draftification.  Eluchil404 (talk) 03:12, 26 January 2024 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.