Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hanna Bahagiana


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The result was   delete.  Sandstein  05:54, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Hanna Bahagiana

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Unable to find reliable secondary sources which evidence the notability or existence of this dub artist. Each of the four sources appear to be user-published and lack editorial control. (webs.com, etc.) Additional, reliable sources as required by policies such as WP:GNG and WP:NRVE welcomed. j⚛e deckertalk 04:11, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - Per nom. Gamble2Win (talk) 09:48, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
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 * Adding to dicussion I was similarly unable to find reliable, secondary sources evidencing the notability of Herra Nur Indah. --j⚛e deckertalk 14:38, 26 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete both per nom. Bgwhite (talk) 20:52, 26 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete, but... I'm not sure if criterion no. 1 of WP:ENTERTAINER is met here, as it appears that both of them did have several roles in different anime, although of course they aren't the original VAs. What worries me is that no reliable coverage was found for either of them, which is strange since to my knowledge, Indonesia's interest in anime is relatively good, on par with Malaysia, the Philippines and Thailand. There should at least be some coverage (but then again, anime doesn't get a lot of local coverage here in the Philippines either). As it stands now, I can't see how either of them is as notable as people like Aya Hirano, Ayana Taketatsu, Daisuke Ono, Mamiko Noto, Yui Horie, or even Veronica Taylor and Luci Christian. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 21:31, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I think WP:ENT #1 is an interesting question, as that guideline has several problems in practice. First, for an SNG, this criteria seems to be a little less objective than many of other other "inherent notability" flavored guidelines, there are pretty clear bars for notability for elected politicians, award-winning porn stars, and high schools, but ENT #1's reliance on a role being "significant" allows for a far wider range of interpretations than most of our guidelines.  (If we changed it to say a role which had received significant independent coverage, that might be closer to my own view, but such a change would likely be opposed by a number of other editors who would feel that bar too high.)  Second, there have been suggestions that voice actors in general, or alternately "dub artists" should be excluded, but even defining those terms is tricky.  Third, entertainment coverage tends to be national but not international, so there are valid concerns about systemic bias.  So, it's messy.  My own view is that WP:ENT mostly tells you when to presume when WP:BASIC is met, and the wording around the notability of people guidelines support this.  Entertainers as a rule tend to get coverage if they're notable, and in my view, vice versa; and that a result, significant "significance" of a role (that is, not only the character, but *that* actor's portrayal of the character), should be the bar for WP:ENT #1.  That's pretty much how AfDs tend to go in my experience, and it's a view that has been upheld at DRV in specific instances as within admin discretion, but, I don't think we've ever had a formal consensus on these grey areas. Which is a pity. --j⚛e deckertalk 15:04, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
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