Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hannah Kane: Me and the Boys


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The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 13:19, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Hannah Kane: Me and the Boys

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Hoax? Can't verify any of the sources. Can't find info on any of the publishers. Can't locate the books. No relevant ghits. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 04:03, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Just because they are not part of the dominant (read: american) culture, does not mean that this band is not notable and significant to the lives of many people. I would be happy to direct you to a number of Albanian music websites mentioning HK & the boys. For example: http://www.zemrashqiptare.net/article/muzike/page_3/ http://www.zeriyt.com/rbhiphop/historia-e-brezit-hip-hop-t35212.0.html http://www.xenini.com/muzika_thijesht/muzika.htm http://kumanova.li/modules/news/article.php?storyid=45 All of these briefly mention Kanë's role in the evolution of Albanian hip hop. please keep wikipedia demokratik and culturally unbiased. you can find my music @ http://www.myspace.com/blero1 and http://blero.tk Thankyou / Falënderim, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blero_albania (talk • contribs) 04:47, 16 November 2008 — Blero albania (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Try double checking the references, given the band was formed in the 1960s in Albania, you might just have difficulty getting access to them, Hannah Kane Me and Boys is a highly influential band, with a number of significant attributes, many of which are outlined in the articles — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hstarr1490 (talk • contribs) 04:11, 15 November 2008 — Hstarr1490 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Delete Zero Google hits, can't find info on any of the sources, can't find Pilson Univ. If they are highly influential it shouldn't be too difficult to find a few sources. --skew-t (talk) 04:21, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as ridiculously probable hoax/satire. I'd speculate that this is a deliberate exploitation of the procedures in the AfD policy, intended to be as difficult to delete for cause as possible (by wasting time tracking non-existent references and obscure false facts). Note also that Hstarr1490 is the article's principal author: maybe he/she might be interested in demonstrating that the references are real. TheFeds  04:27, 15 November 2008 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheFeds (talk • contribs)
 * Hannah Kanë: me and the boys changed the kourse of Albanian music. Kanë revolutionized what has become contemporary Albanian hip hop. Speaking as a hip hop / pop Albanian music artist myself, I profess that my contemporaries and I would not be here today if it were not for this important band and their musical influences. I know for a fact that my friends, the hiphop band "D and the boys" based the title of their group on Kanë's band.
 * Granted, Albanians are just as entitled to recognition on Wikipedia as anyone else. Maybe you'd care to edit the article so that it contains verifiable information? But the important issue at hand is that the article contains numerous ridiculous falsehoods. For example, the business about 300 m hurdles in the 1992 Paralympics? False, that event does not exist, that sport wasn't part of the 1992 Paralypics, and Albania didn't even send any athletes to those Games. When information like that was added by the article's original author (like this), it casts the reputablilty of the author in serious doubt. TheFeds  02:04, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albania-related deletion discussions.   -- Raven1977 (talk) 00:18, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   -- Raven1977 (talk) 00:18, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Not because it's Albanian but because it's a hoax. — Hello, Control Hello, Tony  19:58, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as transparent hoax. The author Blero_albania points us to "a number of Albanian music websites mentioning HK and the boys" and lists four. I can't read Albanian, but I can do a "Find in this page" search: neither "Hannah" nor "Kane" is mentioned in any of the four. The books and publishers cited don't exist, either. Uncyclopedia is the place for this sort of rubbish. JohnCD (talk) 22:45, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I am not sure of the details of some of the entry but I do know when I audited classes under Jane Sugarman - in Ethnomusicology at CUNY in NYC - that this band came up. There is a current tribute band that's popular in Albania called HANA BAND. Also Haxhi Dalipi, Director of the (Albanian) State Ensemble of Popular Music is a fan and said so in a recent appearance in a rockumentary about Shkodra - all of these are verfiable sources. Probably should check out refs to the band again not in this detail in 'The Criminals of Albanian Music': Albanian Commercial Folk Music and Issues of Identity since 1990," in Balkan Popular Culture and the Ottoman Ecumene: Music, Image, and Regional Political Discourse, ed. Donna A. Buchanan (Lanham, MD: Scarecrow Press, 2007) and I understand it will also be referenced in "Albania." Encyclopedia of Popular Music of the World, v. 7, ed. John Shepherd, David Horn, and Dave Laing (London: Continuum Books). Hope this helps.Globalunity (talk) 00:35, 18 November 2008 (UTC) — Globalunity (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment. Welcome to Wikipedia, Globalunity (unless, perish the thought, you should be Hstarr1490 or Blero_albania in disguise, or both). Well, you're trying a bit harder this time, citing real books with real publishers; but unfortunately the COPAC record for "Balkan Popular Culture and the Ottoman Ecumene", ed. Donna A. Buchanan, shows its contents list which does not include the article you cite: "'The Criminals of Albanian Music': Albanian Commercial Folk Music and Issues of Identity since 1990". In any case, the long list in the original article of fake references from non-existent publishers makes it clear the whole thing is a deliberate hoax. Uncyclopedia is that-a-way. JohnCD (talk) 10:49, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


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