Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hans D. Baumann


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Now the articles has been tidied up significantly and references added, the consensus seems to be to keep the article.  Ryan Postlethwaite See the mess I've created or let's have banter 00:06, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Hans D. Baumann

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Unsourced WP:BLP from 2007 encountered during CAT:BLP cleanup. A Google search (for "Hans D. Baumann" inventor, to filter out the better-known German author of the same name) yields no substantial coverage of him, only two or three mentions in the Palm Beach Daily News, apparently a small-town newspaper. I do not know, but doubt, whether his claimed publications and awards allow him to pass WP:BIO.  Sandstein  21:56, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.  —David Eppstein (talk) 06:00, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment - This verifies the claim to being on the top 50 innovators list from Intech. However, I'm not decided on whether notability is established. -- Whpq (talk) 17:53, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget  00:33, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Weakest of Keeps. There doesn't appear to eb a lot to go on, but doing a google book search qualified like  or like this draw up hits for him.  This refers to him as "one of the best people in the profession".  I suspect that sourcing would be available in specialised publications, and I just don't know what they are, and they don't appear to be easily accessible online. -- Whpq (talk) 18:04, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment This article in the Palm Beach Daily confirms that he's an honorary member of the International Society of Automation, which is that organization's highest honor. Anybody have any idea how prominent ISA is in its field?  Ray  Talk 18:56, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep added some refs, but the self promotion is off putting. Pohick2 (talk) 15:47, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete. Few GS cites, his book on Hitler is regarded by some as eccentric (to be charitable) . Xxanthippe (talk) 02:07, 16 March 2010 (UTC).
 * Delete. change position – see below. WoS shows 24 peer-reviewed articles plus some editorials and such (far short of the >100 claimed by the article), but some of these could be false-positives due to the commonality of the surname. Nevertheless, the whole list indicates an h-index of only 3, which is far short of what are normally considered to be required. His book is self-published and not taken seriously by the history community, as one of the references in the article actually reports. Much assertion, but no real evidence. Respectfully, Agricola44 (talk) 19:00, 18 March 2010 (UTC).
 * Weak keep. Agricola44 makes a clear case that he doesn't pass WP:PROF #1, but it looks like he does pass #3 by virtue of the ASME fellowship. —David Eppstein (talk) 02:43, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * As far as I could tell, the ASME fellows directory does not lend itself to easily verifying an individual fellow and the article does not give a link to any WP:RS from ASME. (It seems you have to manually browse each year and the article does not specify an induction year.) I agree with David's point entirely and will be glad to change my position if any documentation is forthcoming. Might anyone who's more familiar with ASME or its website be able to furnish a reference or a link? Respectfully, Agricola44 (talk) 15:29, 19 March 2010 (UTC).
 * Comment Does not pass (intersect) WP:PROF, but may well pass WP:GNG. Abductive  (reasoning) 04:32, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak keep per David Eppstein. Agricola, fyi, I had no luck finding him in the directory listing (which appears to be incomplete), but there are links from ASME publications that refer to him as a Fellow:, , . Ray  Talk 23:15, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Questions. How prestigous is the ASME? Does fellowship of it it satisfy WP criteria for automatic notability? Xxanthippe (talk) 05:25, 22 March 2010 (UTC).
 * Keep (changed position from above). ASME is one of the main professional organizations in engineering and achieving fellow rank is notable. I'm a little uncomfortable that WP:RS can't be found officially from ASME itself, but the publication author lists found by Ray  that call him a fellow seem to me to be acceptable as evidence. Respectfully, Agricola44 (talk) 14:50, 22 March 2010 (UTC).
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