Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hans the Werewolf


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   No consensus after two relistings. Non admin closure. Equendil Talk 11:21, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Hans the Werewolf

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Estonian lycanthropy? Aaahoo, werewolves of Tallinn! Seriously, this old story doesn't appear to click in regard to WP:RS and WP:V. Ecoleetage (talk) 02:32, 20 September 2008 (UTC) 
 * Delete unless WP:RS are produced. Th emost relevant non-WP hit seems to be from D&D . JJL (talk) 02:45, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Following the link to the Swedish version (the original?) gets a (not very RS looking) external link, which cites Maia Madar "Estonia I: Werewolves and Poisioners" in Early Modern European Witchcraft: Centres and Peripheries OUP 2002, (ISBN 0198203888) talking about a "werewolf" Hans at Idavere in 1651 (pp. 270-271). I've looked at the pages on Amazon, enough to see that there's something there and to some extent in line with the article.  I won't add the source myself (since I haven't read the chapter), but there do seem to be sources. N p holmes (talk) 09:42, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cirt (talk) 21:48, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Estonia-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  23:58, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  TravellingCari  02:19, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete No reliable sources. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 02:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep RS seem to exist. Testmasterflex (talk) 04:13, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete due to the lack of accessible, reliable sources. Just saying they exist isn't good enough. Stifle (talk) 09:03, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * In what sense is an Oxford University Press book not reliable? It's accessible enough (via Amazon) to see what it says on the subject. It's still in print and it's in libraries.  You can't mean "we get to delete anything for which reliable sources are in print, rather than on the internet". N p holmes (talk) 10:49, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Madar cites an early article by F. Toll, "Zur Geschichte der Hexenprocesse", Das Inland 17, 1839, 257-63. That's not on the internet (as far as I know) but it is briefly summarised in another 19th century work, J. Paucker Die Literatur der Geschichte Liv- Ehst- und Curlands aus den Jahren 1836-1847, 55-6 (where Idavere is called Ittfer). That's available on Google Books here. N p holmes (talk) 11:05, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - the foreign language thing is tricky. I am working on werewolf material at the moment so will likely come across something. The two-pages in a book is a good start and something I am happy to Assume good faith on. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:20, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Assume good faith. Will end in no consensus...Operating (talk) 00:11, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article does have a reference. Foreign language references are allowed in Wikipedia. --Aciram (talk) 09:41, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.