Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Happy hardcore


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. -- Cirt (talk) 00:03, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Happy hardcore

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Unsourced article about a musical term that is repeated often in the blogosphere and popping up with regularity in CD titles, but I couldn't find any reliable sources either describing a form of music with that name or defining the term in the first place. Prod was contested by an editor claiming Wikipedia having "1000+" articles with the term... but then again, by Wikipedia's guidelines, Wikipedia is not a reliable source, either. B.Wind (talk) 06:42, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: I have actually heard of happy hardcore, even though I don't listen to rave, acid house or even gabber. I know this doesn't count as notability, but it does suggest I heard it from somewhere. Unfortunately, I cannot do a Google search to verify whether this was from friends or the media, as I have filtered Internet which doesn't like the term hardcore. I would say worth exploring further. Moswento (talk) 07:44, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This article has been nominated for rescue. Silver  seren C 08:16, 20 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment I have tagged this article for rescue. Silver  seren C 08:16, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep I have added references and external links to the article. If you click the News button right up there, you'll find that there are 462 hits for the music style, much of which is pretty substantial coverage. The genre is very notable. Silver  seren C 08:16, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep: (From another computer!) Check out Google Books too:   ... Moswento (talk) 10:55, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 12:28, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Clicking the links at the top of the AFD I find that Google News shows 462 results, Google Books shows 216, and Google scholar shows 101. Legitimate music genre, mentioned in many places.   D r e a m Focus  17:37, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep per above. There seems to be several other good soruces specifically about this sub genre on google news archive, but the most promising ones are pay to view so cant add them right now. Techno! Techno!! FeydHuxtable (talk) 18:33, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Snowball Keep Clearly a real musical genre. Aside from google news, a simple google search will indicate that it is a recognised (albeit unbelievably cheesy) hardcore genre. The reason its been used in album titles is because it is the name of a genre, albeit an almost brainlessly simplistic one. The article itself though is not great and doesn't do much for people's first impressions of notability. Fenix down (talk) 19:42, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep: I think the problem is that techno music genres are mostly neglected by the general public and often belong to local subcultures. IMHO there is especially a gap between US American and European techno music and terminology. Happy hardcore entered mainstream in some European countries for a brief period of time in the early nineties. Many 'reliable' sources of that time do not even exist any more. Nevertheless, it is still quite easy to verify that the term 'happy hardcore' is actually used for a music genre. A simple site search on guardian.co.uk reveals plenty of articles about events and people involved in this genre. In contrast, a site search on nytimes.com does not get many hits, obviously because neither the term nor the genre itself is well known in the US. I also believe that this article should not have been tagged for deletion in the first place, as it is obvious that this was done over a short googling session and without consulting other editors with better access to possible sources. If the same had happened to a smaller genre, its article would probably be gone by now. There-is-life-on-mars (talk) 17:27, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong keep The term is here still very common in the NL. TMF (a Dutch MTV subsidary) even has a program dedicated to it where the term is used again and again, and some of the current TMF crew are old happy hardcore artists (most notably Mental Theo) 88.159.72.252 (talk) 23:00, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: definitely a legit genre, and has been around for nearly 20 years. But do try to improve this article with good sources. Shooterwalker (talk) 20:25, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.