Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harald pagancoss


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The result was   delete. Spartaz Humbug! 19:41, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Harald Pagancoss

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While the article makes several claims of notability, none of the claims are verified by reliable sources. This is especially troubling in a biography of a living person. The article seems to be an autobiography, and I've informed the author of the conflict of interest guidelines. I've searched for coverage as "Harald Pagancoss" and "Harry Pagancoss", and have found no significant coverage of this person anywhere. --  At am a chat 17:28, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom. Dr.K. logos 18:09, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete I have found a few articles about him, searching under Harry Pagan-coss. He's got an MPH degree and he's a baker. He's written no books yet, and he's not head chef of a prominent restaurant. Unless he's got a whole lot of credits he's not showing, I don't think he's notable, especially since he's provided no references at all. I'd give him, or anyone interested, a week to gather what the article needs, or delete it. Rosencomet (talk) 18:49, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - Since the AfD process takes 7 days, that should work out just fine. I alerted him to this AfD as soon as it was created (actually, I told him I would start the AfD before I even began it) so he should have time to back up what he's written. If he can do so with reliable sources, then excellent, I'll withdraw the nomination. --  At am a chat 20:23, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

My name is Alberto Gomez President of Light Concepts PR, 305-394-8705 Office, 786-970-0287 Mobile, 305-445-3907 Fax, (55) 53 51 54 76 Mexico City, 0445516806471 Mobile www.lightconceptspr.com. I am Mr. Pagancoss' manager and publicist. The reason we have an email with hpagancoss as well as the username is to simplify matters for me. While Harry may not be known in the Anglo world, he is a rising star in the Hispanic market in Miami and beyond, has been invited to Mexico and is going to Puerto Rico for a very important interview to be aired in most of the Latin American countries. He is currently recording 13 episodes of his cooking TV show being done at culinary school, which will air by the Fall. So, it may not look to you that he is important, but he is. He IS the Executive Chef of his own company, while someone may not call that a "prominent" restaurant, just ask the Elite here in Miami who Harry Bakes is... He has actually tutored students from the Cordon Bleu in Miami in matters relating to Pastry. If you have any questions about his importance in our market, please feel free to call me. You can also watch his live interview from San Juan on August 27 via Telemundo, and an interview we just recorded today that will air in Univision, the largest network in the Hispanic market, on September 2nd during Prime Time hours to decide whether he is worthy of Wikipedia or not. You can also visit Facebook where he keeps his fans informed about his endeavors. I remain at your service to clarify any confusion. Harald Pagancoss 23:28, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - Thank you Mr. Gomez for replying here, and clarifying things somewhat. Wikipedia has a particular set of criteria to determine a person's notability, which might not match what you (or many other people) would consider notability. What matters most is that reliable sources cover Mr. Pagancoss in-depth, please see WP:RS to see what this project considers to be reliable. If your client is experiencing success and his fame in increasing that is wonderful and I wish him the best. It is quite possible that in the near or far future he might achieve coverage in sources acceptable to the project, and at that time the article can be recreated. Thank you again. --  At am a chat 01:25, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Strong delete per clear lack of verifiability and what seems to be a promotional vanity page. MuZemike 00:26, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. The aim of the page seems to be to promote this person’s notability ahead of his having achieved it. Ian Spackman (talk) 01:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete No verification of notability. Fails WP:BIO. The whole "article" (and photo) consists of WP:PROMOTION. Johnuniq (talk) 03:30, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete no links, no good.  Kayau  Wuthering Heights  VANITY FAIR   paradise lost  07:46, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Article subject is not notable. Warrior  4321  14:09, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I STRONGLY OBJECT TO THIS DELETION As you can see, we have added links to verify this the information. But for some reason, they are not showing on the page, only when I sign in do I see the links I have added. We are also working, but time has not allowed me to, on the Spanish version of the biography. It bothers me that NONE of you even know anything about the notability of people in Spanish television and judge whether a person is notable or not. It is like going to Boswana and saying look at Rachael Ray she is very important, but the people there say...who is she? Is she then not "notable" just because the people there don't even know who she is? I am working on this article little by little, adding pictures, links etc. when I can. Unfortunately we don't have al the time of the world to spend hours putting everything together. I find this troubling, when you have some of my other clients, with the same fame as Mr. Pagancoss in Latin America and less links to verify and you have them on Wikipedia. I also find it troubling how the people of thi panel just blatantly come to conclusions without even having the knowledge. As I said, we are working on adding and shaping the article so that it will be complete. To the person who says this is a vanity article...she or he should know more facts before saying so. Aren't all living persons bios somewhat vanity-based? I find this commentary not constructive or fact based. Once again, I repeat, we are working on adding more sources. Also, before saying "he is not "famous yet"...again, watch Spanish TV. If you guys delete this, I feel you are not so unbiased as you say. I will certainly make a point to mention it in the mass media, especially the one that concerns me which is the Hispanic market in the US so that people can see how the anglo TV personalities are "notable" but the ones in the Spanish market are not. Trust me. Thank you. Alberto Gomez (talk) 13:58, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


 * If Rachel Ray meets WP:BIO, then it doesn't matter who knows her. The article we have nominated for deletions fails WP:BIO. That is why. We do not delete them by knowledge of the person. (See WP:IDONTKNOWIT for more details). Warrior  4321  16:11, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * There is no bias. The only bias would be allowing this article to stay when so many others are deleted for the same reasons. Let me put this bluntly... Wikipedia is not a place for advertisement. You are paid to promote Mr. Pagancoss and Wikipedia is not the place to do that. --  At am a  頭 18:48, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I beg to differ, he has his own TV show and has enough national TV appearances and radio and press in Latin American countries I do not need to use Wikipedia to promote him. He does that on his own. This is to EDUCATE his fans here in the states, those who speak English and those who will be watching him when his show starts broadcasting here. Education is not promotion, it is allowing to state some facts so that people get instructed. Alberto Gomez (talk) 18:36, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The article subject must meet WP:BIO to be included in Wikipedia. Since he is an entertainer, he must meet one or more of the criteria :
 * Has had significant roles in multiple commercially produced or significant films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.
 * Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following.
 * Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Warrior4321 (talk • contribs) 22:32, 23 August 2009


 * Comment: Has anyone bothered to notice that "Alberto Gonzalez" is User:Hpagancoss? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Niteshift36 (talk • contribs)
 * Reply - Of course he is. Have you bothered to read User talk:Hpagancoss? And I removed your SPA tags, there is no User:Alberto Gomez. --  At am a  頭 22:56, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - I have put User:Hpagancoss up for WP:MFD as it turns out to be substantially the same content as Harald Pagancoss. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 06:00, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply - I thought about doing that myself when I first saw it, I was going to do that after this AfD. --  At am a  頭 06:21, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
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