Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hardcore gamers 2


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was KEEP. I will de-pluralise, though. -Splash talk 17:48, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Hardcore Gamers
This article was previously kept due to no consensus being reached however the article remains poorly written. It further contains definitions of the word that I cannot verify. The term is also used to describe those who value gameplay over Graphics. Even if the term is used frequently in the industry, a fact I doubt as I have worked in and arround the industry for a number of years and while a person may be described as hardcore I have not encountered the phrase in this form, this article is clearly a dictionary definition. While I might support a merge to Gamers or a Transwiki to wiktionary if cleaned up, as it currently stands my vote must be Delete &mdash; Falerin&lt;talk&gt;,&lt;contrib&gt; 17:59, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. I'm astounded that somebody who has worked in the industry has never heard the term "hardcore gamer".  Oh well. -- MisterHand 18:27, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Though I agree that the gameplay/graphics definition is incorrect. If anything, the opposite is true: casual gamers often buy products with fairly poor graphics (like Bejeweled or the Deer Hunter series), while hardcore gamers often spring for very expensive video cards to get maximum graphic effects from the latest glossy FPS.  By the most accepted definition, hardcore gaming has more to do with amount of time played than specific game or feature preferences. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  18:44, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep I'd love to know what industry you have worked in ..because it can't be the gaming industry if you have never heard of this term...unless, perhaps you are making learning software for grade-school age children - they typically are not "hardcore" yet. Hardcore gaming is a community, a society, a way of thinking ..its its own little world. I OFTEN hear people who are very hardcore making the comment about preferring content over graphics, but they are also the same people who have (or want) really nice gaming systems.  I can see it go both ways.  This may need multiple definitions. --Naha|(talk) 20:50, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment As I said I have heard the term "Hardcore" I have never seen it constructed as a phrase to refer to people as a group. I.e. A gamer may be Hardcore but I do not recall ever before hearing of "Hardcore Gamers" And even lacking that problem the article is still nothing more then a dictdef. &mdash; Falerin&lt;talk&gt;,&lt;contrib&gt; 19:28, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment Hardcore gamers tend to seek each other out in many games like EverQuest and form large raiding guilds where dozens to a few hundred of them are together at any given time. Birds of a feather flock together hehehe.  While they are not always groups, they do tend to manifest as such in many games.  That is not to say that the title of this article has to be or needs to be plural ..but I don't see a problem with it, unless it is violating wikistyle. --Naha|(talk) 20:47, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm not into games in the slightest, but I'm familiar with the term. (No vote, haveen't read the article for reasons stated!) --kingboyk 23:57, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep but drop the "s". Golfcam 03:21, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to video game player. -Sean Curtin 05:04, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep I think the article is in dire need of expansion, not deletion. I also agree with Golfcam that the plural needs to be removed.--Arcaynn 21:50, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article needs to be expanded and cleaned up. Drop the s.  --Slo-mo 06:33, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not a dictionary.  In addition, why can we not just add the adjective of "hardcore" to a variety of things?  E.g. hardcore student, hardcore golfer, hardcore driver.  Since "hardcore" is a fairly common adjective to use to describe someone more serious than others about something, keeping this article just opens the door to creating more dictionary articles on the previously mentioned articles.  --C S (Talk) 11:07, 2 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.