Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hardest sport climbing routes in the UK


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Delete. Possibility remains for recreation in a better form.  Citi Cat   ♫ 05:09, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Hardest sport climbing routes in the UK

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Delete — This article pushes at the boundary of what makes a topic encyclopedic. Long and sprawling lists of statistics are by consensus not acceptable. Wikipedia is not a guidebook or a repository of sports statistics. The article does not establish notaibility of this sub-topic and is poorly referenced (the given reference is dated earlier than many of the entries). ✤ JonHarder talk 04:08, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete: Per nom. I don't think this list is necessary/acceptable, as WP is not a guide. - Rjd0060 04:44, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak delete I think such a list ought to be notable, but I think verification from reliable sources is the real problem for this article. If each route's grade were sourced to a reliable source, or a reliable secondary source were found (I am certain that the UK climbing mags regularly run articles on this subject) then I'd be fine with it.  The problem is that the grade of an unrepeated climb is always open to debate, as the grade emerges by community consensus, or guide book author whim.  The unreliable nature of the article isn't helped by the sloppy wikilinking, guess where Wikipedia says the following UK crags are: Rubicon, Hollywood Bowl, The Anvil, Anstey's Cove... Pete.Hurd 05:16, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh Crap These sorts of achievements should be somewhere in the 'pedia, but not sure where. Obviously this list is crap at present. If this does end up deleted, can someone userfy it for me and I will source it and recreate it, or alternatively append it to one of the articles about sport climbing, either in the UK or otherwise. By the way, that Gaskins thing near the top is only a few metres and is probably the hardest thing in the world. No more bongos 05:37, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I think I am with Peter Hurd here. There is a WP article trying to get out of this mess. How do we get there? --Bduke 12:03, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.