Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Haris Khan


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Fritzpoll (talk) 00:27, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Haris Khan

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Non-notable student technologist. No reliable sources. The only real claim of notability is the Microsoft MVP, which is enough I think to save it from the A7 speedy deletion that a previous version of this article suffered. But there are thousands of people given that award so I don't think it confers real notability. Google news turns up several stories but they all seem to be about other people with the same name. I also searched Google news for the name of the company he founded, Betamakers, and found nothing. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:15, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thousands of people have been given Olympic medals or Oscars as well and those ARE notable, so the number of people receiving the award is not relevant in determining its relevance or lack thereof. - Mgm|(talk) 00:26, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thousands of people are Wikipedia admins, too, and yet we don't consider that as a sign of notability. As far as I can see here, the MVP award similarly gives recognition to prominent volunteers on the Microsoft technical forums. It's not really a sign of outside achievement. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:34, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That's my point. 1000s of people win Olympic medals, 1000s of people are WP admins. You can't determine which of the two is significant based only on the bare number. - Mgm|(talk) 11:11, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Acheivement is not notability. Notability isn't fame, achievement, notoriety, importance, significance, size, or popularity. Uncle G (talk) 02:37, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Plus, it's not verifiable: searching the MVP award site for Haris Khan doesn't find anything. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:36, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That's because Microsoft only lists current MVPs, not past ones. I received an MVP award some years ago.  I'm not listed now.  Indeed, it is impossible to verify that I ever received it without either (a) trusting autobiographical statements that I make or (b) seeing in person the certificates that Microsoft issued to me, neither of which are in accord with Wikipedia content policies and what we expect readers to do.  The receipt of the award is, simply, not recorded as a part of the documented corpus of human knowledge.  Not even the company making the award publishes records of it.  Wikipedia cannot take my sole word for it that I received an MVP award, and (since xe is obviously the article's author) we cannot take Haris Khan's sole word for what xe says about xyrself, either.  Wikipedia could only take the word of someone with a good reputation for fact checking and accuracy (who did the legwork of checking out our certificates) who is independent of us, and who documented us in depth in published works.  That would be notability, not the receipt of an award.  Uncle G (talk) 02:37, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * This is autobiography, plain and simple. The only source of information about M. Khan that exists is M. Khan xyrself, either writing here as User:Betamakers or writing on xyr own WWW site.  No independent sources exist anywhere, as far as I can determine.  And for the reasons exemplified by Zaphod Beeblebrox on Autobiography, we do not trust autobiographies.  The PNC is not satisfied.  Delete.  Uncle G (talk) 02:37, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Fails WP:BIO anyway, and belonging to a Microsoft program is not itself a claim to notability. §FreeRangeFrog 02:47, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete' It fails the sources test, much less verifiable sources. --Bejnar (talk) 07:04, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete MVPs aren't well known. Not even to MCSEs. Ddawkins73 (talk) 11:11, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. Betamakers (the page's creator) removed the AfD notice from the article. I've restored it and warned him. —David Eppstein (talk) 04:23, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.