Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harmony Hill Baptist Church


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The result was delete. NCHURCH was brought forth, but it was not explained how this was met, in light that NCHURCH says GNG and/or NORG must bet met. There was one source brought forth as independent and in-depth. That is not multiple sources, and the coverage is strictly local in nature. Other arguments regarding COMMONSENSE notability (churche's size, importance to geographic area, age of congregation) also have not acquired consensus. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 18:18, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Harmony Hill Baptist Church

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This individual church congregation does not strike me as being especially notable. The town has only 35000 people and there is nothing that suggests the building is unusual or that this is not a WP:MILL church Legacypac (talk) 02:25, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 02:40, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 02:41, 18 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete can't find anything to establish notability. Definitely is not a historic church. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 02:42, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Harmony Hill Baptist Church is a expanding church with over 1500 members. The Pastor Dr. John Greene delivered the house invocation at the Texas House of Representatives twice. Rep. Trent Ashby of Texas House of Representatives is a member of Harmony Hill Baptist Church. The church has a history of over 100 years. This church definitely has a history and notability.Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 16:59, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * A couple of prayers at the Texas State House do not make someone notable, and even a notable pastor does not make a church notable. I'm sure it is a great church but it is still WP:MILL Legacypac (talk) 04:55, 18 February 2019 (UTC)


 * The church is one of the if not the largest church in the Lufkin/east Texas area and it a has a history of over 100 years. It is more notable than your average church.Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 16:58, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm a geography fan and traveler but this town is one I'd never heard of so being one of the biggest in the area is not notable. A hundred year old church is not really unusual in the US, and nothing unusual in places like Europe. I'm trying to help you understand our policies here. Legacypac (talk) 05:44, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

The church is getting close to being a mega church. Just because you have personally never heard of Lufkin doesn't mean the area is not notable.Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 21:42, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * A megachurch has at least 2000 attending. This church claims 1500 members which is a different thing as membership usually exceeds attendence in most long standing churches. Legacypac (talk) 20:22, 18 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete - subject fails WP:GNG. Not a notable church. Skirts89 15:54, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Because of the references from ktre.com, this subject easily meets WP:Church (and in the same way, WP:GNG), which is policy. WP:Mill is only an essay and not adopted as policy.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 17:34, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:CHURCH is a failed proposal but I'm not seeing how this church meets that test anyway. Can you be more specific? Legacypac (talk) 18:16, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, should have been WP:NCHURCH--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 23:17, 20 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete all non-primary sources are WP:MILL coverage by local news. While I'm sure it's a fine church and has an important presence locally, its simply not notable enough to pass WP:GNG. Best, GPL93 (talk) 19:15, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete -- It looks like a very ordinary church, and thus NN. 1500 members is not all that exceptional.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:09, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Run-of-the-mill local venue, routine local news blurbs is not notability. Reywas92Talk 22:00, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Did this article have a previous contribution history on its draft page? Looks like a WP:REFUND happened but unsure. – The Grid  ( talk )  14:19, 25 February 2019 (UTC)


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