Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harold Gunness


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. ✗ plicit  11:54, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Harold Gunness

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I listed this for proposed deletion as "no actual notability -- merely being the last surviving veteran of a military expedition is not notability" ; the prod was removed by, with the comment "deprod; we have usually found the last surviving veteran from a particular country of a particular war to be notable"; simultaneously the original and only contributor to the article, commented: "I'm fine with deletion - I couldn't find any reliable sources for him."

I would accordingly have speedy deleted it as A6, but I think it is fairer to bring it here for a decision.  DGG ( talk ) 06:56, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Military, Minnesota,  and Oregon.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 07:18, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:BASIC and there is no other relevant notability rule or policy that he satisfies. Mztourist (talk) 07:56, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. As I said, we (and the world in general) have generally considered the last surviving veteran from a particular country of a particular war to be notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:35, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * As I understand, notability is generally determined by independent coverage in the media by reliable sources. Maybe if you could find other articles on Wikipedia that seem to be considered notable for the same reason, it might help your case.  GoldMiner24 Talk 12:12, 24 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete No WP:SIGCOV fails WP:GNG.  GoldMiner24 Talk 12:12, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete I'm not aware of any policy/guideline that would state that [we] have generally considered the last surviving veteran from a particular country of a particular war to be notable, so I'm judging this by WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO standards. For the latter, none of the criteria appear to apply. For WP:SIGCOV purposes, I found a short obituary online, but it appeared to be non-independent (no byline, etc.). There are also passing mention in the books Russian Sideshow: America's Undeclared War and Quartered in Hell: The Story of the American North Russia Expeditionary Force, 1918-1919 according to Google Books, but these appear to both be far from sufficient to count for WP:GNG purposes. Happy to change my !vote to keep if better sources are found, tho. -Ljleppan (talk) 14:52, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails GNG in my view. Intothatdarkness 16:23, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment I didn't actually create the article, but moved it from a misspelling of the surname. There is currently no reliable source for this article. I have been unable to find any sources for this article other than obituaries that do not seem to have been written by a reliable source. Perhaps those who are in favour of keeping the article could do some research. I would be in favour of keeping the article if it was reliably sourced. ♥ L'Origine du monde ♥  ♥ Talk ♥ 16:24, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete the "last surviving vereran from any particular war" is notable guideline would be insane? Are we ready to make articles on every person who is the last surviving veteran of every country in World War II? World War I? Would we do this for countries that were not indepdent at the time, so the last surviving verteran from Mali in World War I, even though at the time Malians fought in the French Army and Mali was part of French West Africa? What about for microonations? In this case it is also the US deployment of troops into Russia, so where does this lead? Articles on the last surviving verteran on both sides of every conflict between the US and Native Americans groups? The last surviving veteran of every US deployment of troops into Latin American countries? The last surviving veterna of both El Salvador and Honduras to fight in the football war? This could be taken to extremes. It is a horrible starting point.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:16, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't see how this subject meets notability requirements; the subject wouldn't even meet the deprecated WP:SOLDIER. I think the argument made by Johnpacklambert makes a lot of sense as well. Where would such a precedent lead? The fact of the matter is there's nothing here that's of interest other than what's already covered in the American Expeditionary Force, North Russia article. --Kbabej (talk) 16:11, 2 March 2022 (UTC)


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